Very good F911 site

[tunaplanet 0]

I actually got this from SunDevil777 on another thread but after reading it felt it was very good and extremely factual and decided to post it here. It breaks down all of the lies Michael Moron tells in his comedy.

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Forty-two

[quade 4]

Um, yeah . . . the list is kinda long so I naturally scrolled down to the bottom to see if there was any sort of logical conclusion.

So, at the end of all of this, Kopel states that Moore supports terrorist and is working with them to distribute his film.

Just a little far fetched there considering who actually IS distributing the film.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[skydivexxl 0]

Another completely reliable poster:

Letterman's Top Ten List: Top Ten George W. Bush Complaints About "Fahrenheit 9/11":

10. That actor who played the President was totally unconvincing

9. It oversimplified the way I stole the election
8. Too many of them fancy college-boy words
7. If Michael Moore had waited a few months, he could have included the part where I get him deported
6. Didn't have one of them hilarious monkeys who smoke cigarettes and gives people the finger
5. Of all Michael Moore's accusations, only 97% are true
4. Not sure - - I passed out after a piece of popcorn lodged in my windpipe
3. Where the hell was Spider-man?
2. Couldn't hear most of the movie over Cheney's foul mouth
1. I thought this was supposed to be about dodgeball

Blog Clicky

[tonyhays 86]

Not as far fetched as one might think.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=54578

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Um, yeah . . . the list is kinda long so I naturally scrolled down to the bottom to see if there was any sort of logical conclusion.

So, at the end of all of this, Kopel states that Moore supports terrorist and is working with them to distribute his film.

Just a little far fetched there considering who actually IS distributing the film.

Too bad you didn't bother to read the entire article, Quade. You always impressed me as a guy willing to consider all sides of an issue. Is it time to start skydiving again?

[tunaplanet 0]

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You always impressed me as a guy willing to consider all sides of an issue.

Are you serious? ROFLMAO. I needed a good laugh before bed. Goodnight everyone. Peace.

Forty-two

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Too bad you didn't bother to read the entire article, Quade

I probably will at some point, maybe tomorrow, but tonight is bill paying night and I'm slacking even as I type (as usual).

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[mikkey 0]

The linked article is a very lengthy commentary -not just "facts". Some of "counter" facts are debatable and "spun" the same way MM is spinning. I would recommend the latest Time Magazine that has a list of "facts" from F911 that can be disputed. Gives a better overview I think.

I must laugh when I see the right-wingers here complaining about false or distorted facts, when they in turn defend the US administrations lies regarding Iraq. There is another thread here where these guys just still go on about WMD's and that Iraq was a threat and involved in 9/11, Cole etc.

I am not a big fan of Michael Moore. I do not like people distorting facts and he clearly does. However the people criticizing him here are in a glasshouse. MM uses the same technique of selective "facts" that the right-wingers do and their friends at Fox News.

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Um, yeah . . . the list is kinda long so I naturally scrolled down to the bottom to see if there was any sort of logical conclusion.

So, at the end of all of this, Kopel states that Moore supports terrorist and is working with them to distribute his film.

Just a little far fetched there considering who actually IS distributing the film.

This was reported on NBC last week. Hezbollah
(spelling?) was the org wanting to help Moore.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Aye, but Hezbollah wanting to help Moore is an entirely different thing to the allegations of Moore actually supporting terrorism.

Surely?

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[rushmc 23]

True

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ltdiver 3]

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Aye, but Hezbollah wanting to help Moore is an entirely different thing to the allegations of Moore actually supporting terrorism.

Surely?

Isn't it rather disturbing that Hezbollah finds Moore's movie helpful to their cause? Anything that supports terrorists and terrorism is, in my book, a strike against us.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[TypicalFish 0]

Now Moore has gone on record against Disney for releasing a (HIS WORDS) "patriotic" movie after refusing to release his; saying they are (HIS WORDS AGAIN) "right wing kooks".

God&%$#@% America-loving kooks. How dare they release a patriotic movie with a hopeful message.

Whether this guy is on point with his material I can't say, but in my "one vote/one ticket sale" opinion, he is a self-aggrandizing jackass.

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"Isn't it rather disturbing that Hezbollah finds Moore's movie helpful to their cause? Anything that supports terrorists and terrorism is, in my book, a strike against us."

I see your point Lori, but I'm not sure that MM is actually actively or passively supporting terrorism.

What he is doing is making political statements criticising your government, that is not supporting terrorism in my book, regardless of how many terrorists agree with his point of view.

"he is a self-aggrandizing jackass. "

No argument here either, but he is good at it.

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[ltdiver 3]

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I see your point Lori, but I'm not sure that MM is actually actively or passively supporting terrorism.

What he is doing is making political statements criticising your government, that is not supporting terrorism in my book, regardless of how many terrorists agree with his point of view.

It doesn't matter what Moore is trying to do (for himself). It now has stepped into the world community and the terrorists are applauding (and using it for their cause). They want it to grow and it WILL help their cause.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Are you saying that a film of this nature should have been censored or suppressed because it is uncomfortable to the President?

I'm not sure that is what you meant, but it is the way I'm (mis)reading your point...

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[Nightingale 0]

have you seen the movie?

it absolutely does NOT support terrorism. the scenes of 9/11 in the movie make it clear that terrorism is horrific and awful.

[ltdiver 3]

Yes, I have seen the movie. Yes, I know it speaks out against terrorism.

However, it has become a tool of divisiveness and it's working.

Wish I could write more right now, but I have to get off to work. More later.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

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Bush on September 11

Deceit 9



Fahrenheit mocks President Bush for continuing to read a story to a classroom of elementary school children after he was told about the September 11 attacks.



What Moore did not tell you:

Gwendolyn Tose’-Rigell, the principal of Emma E. Booker Elementary School, praised Bush’s action: “I don’t think anyone could have handled it better.” “What would it have served if he had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?”…



She said the video doesn’t convey all that was going on in the classroom, but Bush’s presence had a calming effect and “helped us get through a very difficult day.”

“Sarasota principal defends Bush from ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ portrayal,” Associated Press, June 24, 2004. Also, since the President knew he was on camera, it was reasonable to expect that if he had suddenly sped out of the room, his hasty movement would have been replayed incessantly on television; leaving the room quickly might have exacerbated the national mood of panic.



Moore does not offer any suggestion about what the President should have done during those seven minutes, rather than staying calm for the sake of the classroom and of the public. Nor does Moore point to any way that the September 11 events might have turned out better in even if the slightest way if the President had acted differently. As with the previous item, people may differ about whether this segment should be considered deceitful, or perhaps just a very cheap shot.

I think this one sums the man (Moore) up pretty good.


Floks he's a sensationalistic muckraker. Doesn't matter which side of the fence he stands on, that's how he's making his coin, and getting his jollies. The only reason it works is because many people who watch/read his material then use it as "factual" and line up in hoards while those that dispute it do the same and bash one another.

Stop being sheep. The man is an asshat as are his more conservitive counterparts. The funny bit is people will continue pay this asshat to be one.

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it absolutely does NOT support terrorism. the scenes of 9/11 in the movie make it clear that terrorism is horrific and awful.

Yes but does he point to any sort of answer as how to resist it? Or is his view simply to say "how horrible" and then go on about his business? That's how 911 happened.

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[Nightingale 0]

not wanting to cause panic is no excuse for an almost ten minute delay in action.

a simple statement of "ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry, but something has come up, and I have to go now." certainly would've been better.

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answering how to resist terrorism is not moore's job. That's the president's job, and frankly, I think he's screwed up.

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not wanting to cause panic is no excuse for an almost ten minute delay in action.

Knee jerk reactions are exactlly what shouldn't happen. That's what has people "pushing the button"

What exactly should the man have been doing in those 10 minutes? Probably decided that 10 minutes would be enough time for his advisors to get their shit together and give him good data instead of a stream of incoherent reports.

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[billvon 3,120]

>Isn't it rather disturbing that Hezbollah finds Moore's movie helpful to their cause?

Well, heck, Al Qaeda endorsed Bush for president.
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CAIRO (Reuters) - A group claiming to have links with al Qaeda said on
Wednesday it was calling a truce in its Spanish operations to see if
the new Madrid government would withdraw its troops from Iraq, a
pan-Arab newspaper said.

. . .

The statement said it supported President Bush in his reelection
campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the
Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a
leader "more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force
rather than with wisdom."

In comments addressed to Bush, the group said:

"Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the
Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to
the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization."

"Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected."
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answering how to resist terrorism is not moore's job. That's the president's job, and frankly, I think he's screwed up.

You're right, it's not his job.

I very rarely like to throw out the "liberal" or "conservitive" lable, as doing so just classifies people and causes their arguments to become weaker beacuse of it.

Moore's tactic is a plauge of the extreme liberal movement. Keep pointing the finger screaming "Oooo, oooo, look what he did. He made a mess." rather than sitting down and saying, how can we fix this. Both sides are WAY out of touch with reality, and need to come back to "center"

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