wmw999 2,589 #26 July 6, 2004 QuoteMoore's tactic is a plauge of the extreme liberal movement. Keep pointing the finger screaming "Oooo, oooo, look what he did. He made a mess." rather than sitting down and saying, how can we fix this. Both sides are WAY out of touch with reality, and need to come back to "center" Bravo, sir. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #27 July 6, 2004 QuoteIn comments addressed to Bush, the group said: "Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization." "Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected." Wow that's twistedly backhanded....Conflict is good for the terroris organizations of the world. Dragging major nations into long drawn out battles is nothing but good for them. Slapping them down swiftly, decisively, and without guilt, then ignoring their feeble crys of protest would take the wind out of their sails. Kind of like a kid or puppy. Don't cater to tantrums and bad behavior, and make punishments quick, to the point, and understood.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #28 July 6, 2004 >Conflict is good for the terroris organizations of the world. Fighting is good for terrorists. Free speech is deadly to them. >Slapping them down swiftly, decisively, and without guilt, then ignoring >their feeble crys of protest would take the wind out of their sails. Agreed. We should do that to Al Qaeda, not the Iraqis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #29 July 6, 2004 QuoteAgreed. We should do that to Al Qaeda, not the Iraqis. Agreed. There are seperate reasons and discusions at to why or why not to be in Iraq. Unfortunately the US populace and it's lilly livered sensibilities are preventing us from handling Al Qaeda, and like organizations the way they need to be.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #30 July 6, 2004 >Unfortunately the US populace and it's lilly livered sensibilities are > preventing us from handling Al Qaeda, and like organizations the way >they need to be. I think the war in Iraq is what's preventing us from sending tens of thousands of troops to the Pakistani-Afghani border. I have yet to hear a single complaint from anyone on this board about how we should leave Al Qaeda alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #31 July 6, 2004 I guess our solutions are different. I don't think a mass deployment of troops acomplishes much other than breeding resentment. Tactical hit's on cell leaders, and encouraged free speech would make a difference.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #32 July 6, 2004 > It breaks down all of the lies Michael Moron tells in his comedy. Some more lies I saw after seeing the movie: 1. It's not even about temperature! The very title is a lie. 2. In several scenes Bush moves in slow motion. He never, in reality, moved in slow motion. 3. In one scene it showed him frozen. He never freezes that still in real life. 4. In another scene, you can see houses in the background with satellite dishes on the roof - yet there was a cable TV line clearly visible on the utility pole in front of the house! How stupid does Moore think republicans are? 5. In one scene a grieving mother reads a long letter from her son. Although the letter is shown in its entirety in one shot, they skip reading some parts of the letter out loud! That was most likely a part of the letter supporting GWB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 July 6, 2004 Quote 2. In several scenes Bush moves in slow motion. He never, in reality, moved in slow motion. I dunno Bill, he looks like he was moving in slow motion during the seven minutes reading My Pet Goat -- oh wait, that was just a normal human reaction to being told your country is under attack -- Yeah, I guess that's about as fast as any normal human can be expected to react. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #34 July 6, 2004 QuoteYeah, I guess that's about as fast as any normal human can be expected to react He handled it perfectly. He was calm, cool and collected. Afterall, there were children all about him. He waited a few minutes and then excused himself. I give him props for not causing chaos. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #35 July 6, 2004 QuoteI dunno Bill, he looks like he was moving in slow motion during the seven minutes reading My Pet Goat -- oh wait, that was just a normal human reaction to being told your country is under attack -- Yeah, I guess that's about as fast as any normal human can be expected to react. What exactly did you wish he had done? Jumped up and screamed "Oh the horror, the humanity"? Grabbed a gun and shot the nearest terrorist looking individual? I don't consider myself a Bush supporter but sheesh, you're sounding like a front man for Chicken Little.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 July 6, 2004 Quote What exactly did you wish he had done? Jumped up and screamed "Oh the horror, the humanity"? Grabbed a gun and shot the nearest terrorist looking individual? I don't consider myself a Bush supporter but sheesh, you're sounding like a front man for Chicken Little. I can only tell you what I would have done . . . With cameras rolling and after just being told that the US was under attack, I would have said, "Excuse me. Our country needs me right now and I have to leave." and then gotten up and gone outside the room to discuss with the Secret Service where I should be for the safety of the Office. It would have left a much better impression for history. Did I expect him to launch missles or take some sort of action? Not really. I just think it was silly for him to just sit there. It made him look like a puppet waiting for his strings to be pulled.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #37 July 6, 2004 QuoteI just think it was silly for him to just sit there. The key word in your statement is, "I." You felt it was silly. And last I checked, liberals thinking something Bush does is silly is nothing new. It's old and tired. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #38 July 6, 2004 Quote And last I checked, liberals thinking something Bush does is silly is nothing new. It's old and tired. As is blind faith in one's leader.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #39 July 6, 2004 QuoteAnd last I checked, liberals thinking something Bush does is silly is nothing new. It's old and tired. Last time I checked either party bashing each other in this manner weakened any issues they had to say that were worthwhile noting with this useless drivel. It too is old and tired. Attitudes like this, on all sides, are part of the problem.Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #40 July 6, 2004 QuoteAttitudes like this, on all sides, are part of the problem. Bingo! This is exactly why I refuse to align myself with a party. It's very sad to see people on these boards (and in real life) defend their party's candidate blindly and attack the opposites by nit-picking, twisting facts and out-right lying. Many years from now people will look back at their posts and see how idiotic they were in being so blind and misguided. Use your heads, people. It's refreshing to see someone in a political discussion that is honest and doesn't take sides. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #41 July 6, 2004 QuoteDid I expect him to launch missles or take some sort of action? Not really. I just think it was silly for him to just sit there. It made him look like a puppet waiting for his strings to be pulled. Some people mistake inaction (physical) for incompetence. Perhaps, and just perhaps, the man heard the news, and the person providing it said something like "we'll have more information in a few minutes" or "it will take a few minutes to have the cars ready to go" and Mr. G. dubba decided to finish reading a book to some children while he formulated his next move. Kinda like there are two types of people after there is an accident at the DZ. The fluttery types who start freaking out, and the ones who go on with the day of jumping because they know they can not do anything right now to help the person. (Post transport)---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #42 July 6, 2004 QuoteMany years from now people will look back at their posts and see how idiotic they were in being so blind and misguided. HA! that's a good one! Joke telling! HA!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #43 July 6, 2004 Quote Perhaps, and just perhaps, the man heard the news, and the person providing it said something like "we'll have more information in a few minutes" or "it will take a few minutes to have the cars ready to go" and Mr. G. dubba decided to finish reading a book to some children while he formulated his next move. Unfortunately . . . that's NOT what was said. In testamony and under oath Andrew Card said that when he spoke to the President in the classroom he said, "America is under attack." and that's all. GWB didn't even question him on it. He just sat there. There's about a jillion articles on the topic . . . here's one that popped up on Google. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53548-2004Jun18.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #44 July 6, 2004 >Perhaps, and just perhaps, the man heard the news, and the person >providing it said something like "we'll have more information in a few >minutes" or "it will take a few minutes to have the cars ready to go" and >Mr. G. dubba decided to finish reading a book to some children while he >formulated his next move. He was told "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack." by Andrew Card. Card then left. He got no other info. >Kinda like there are two types of people after there is an accident at the DZ. Let's take a DZ as an example. The DZO's are at lunch at a local restaraunt, listening to some friends tell a story. Another jumper gets a phone call. He walks over to them and whispers "an Otter just crashed on takeoff." He goes back to his seat. He gets another phone call and tells the DZO "The cessna just crashed into Manifest trying to land after the first one went in. The DZ is a mess." Do you know any DZO's that would actually sit there and listen to the rest of their friend's story? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #45 July 6, 2004 Quoteperhaps, the man heard the news, and the person providing it said something like "we'll have more information in a few minutes" or "it will take a few minutes to have the cars ready to go" Nooooooooooooooooo, surly not!!!!! It's much more fun to laugh and make fun of him Seriously, you are 100% correct. None of us no exactly what was whispered to him. Anyone who makes fun of him or degrades him based upon their speculation of what he was told is way off the deep end and has absolutely no common sense. Maybe it's the military in me, but if I am going to call out my CIC, I want to be damn sure I have all the facts...and in this case it would be wanting to know exactly what he was told. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #46 July 6, 2004 >None of us no exactly what was whispered to him. Actually, we do, because the guy who told him testified under oath what he said. >Anyone who makes fun of him or degrades him based upon their > speculation of what he was told is way off the deep end and has >absolutely no common sense. Ha! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #47 July 6, 2004 QuoteUnfortunately . . . that's NOT what was said. In testamony and under oath Andrew Card said that when he spoke to the President in the classroom he said, "America is under attack." and that's all. GWB didn't even question him on it. He just sat there. Show it to me. If that's all that was said, I'd probably continue reading the book. If I judge that the book is only gonna take a few more minutes to read, and the SS is obviously not concerned for my well being at this time, then nothing is served by jumping up and rushing around like a gibbering idiot with my hair on fire. I've let myself be drug into this fray like a gibbering idiot. Slaming the man for that ten minutes is like Billy Mitchel the 10 year old making fun of Bobby for picking his nose once 3 years ago. I'm done.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #48 July 6, 2004 QuoteActually, we do, because the guy who told him testified under oath what he said. So no one has ever lied or not told the whole story under oath? Wow, thanks for clearing that up for me. I never knew. Maybe Clinton was telling the truth in that case. Thanks for enlightening me. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #49 July 6, 2004 >So no one has ever lied or not told the whole story under oath? Right, the president's aide lied under oath to screw him and give liberals a way to attack him. From a previous post of yours: > It's very sad to see people on these boards (and in real life) defend their >party's candidate blindly . . . Indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #50 July 6, 2004 QuoteHe was told "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack." by Andrew Card. Card then left. He got no other info. So this is the first he heard of it? Hell it would take me 5 minutes to figure out what the man was talking about. Quote"The President told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis . . . The President felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening." There you are. And before you slam the man's words remember your accepting the words of another man's testimony as every bit as credible. As to statements like this: QuoteDouglas Brinkley, a presidential historian at the University of New Orleans, concurs: "I don't understand how one sits there. I just don't. Minutes are an eternity in that sort of situation. . . . A quick presidential decision may save lives." Now that we can armchair quarterback the thing, what was he to do? What did those 7 minutes cost us?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
