beowulf 1 #1 July 2, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/01/cosby.comments.ap/index.html I have a lot of respect for Bill Cosby. He is saying things that really need to be said. Too many Blacks are not focusing on educating their kids and preparing them to be competitive in the market place. At some point everyone has to stop finding blame else where and look at themselves and say what am I doing to improve myself. Small steps are all it takes. This doesn't just apply to minorities, it applies to anyone that is blaming anything else but themselves for where they are in life. I like to say that I am where I am because that is where I am most comfortable. If I don't like where I am in life then I need to start pushing out into the unknown and getting out of my comfort zone. No excuses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #2 July 2, 2004 I hope he continues. Maybe more of the black leadership will join him.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 July 2, 2004 Cosby caught a lot of flak a couple of months ago. It's like Cos was the first person with the guts to stand up and say something. Now he's saying it again, and it appears that other leaders are agreeing with him. Even Jesse Jackson seems to be catching on to it. I give Cosby all the credit in the world for saying what he is saying. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #4 July 2, 2004 I think it's funny the Jesse Jackson is in that picture, the KING of blaming other people."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #5 July 2, 2004 QuoteI think it's funny the Jesse Jackson is in that picture, the KING of blaming other people Notice the dumbfounded, surprised look on jesse's face.....and dont forget al sharpton he should share the title w/jesse!!!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #6 July 2, 2004 I’ve had a great deal of respect for him since he accepted his lifetime achievement award... when asked by a young rap 'starlet' (in badly garbled ebonics) "How did you achieve your success" (paraphrased, I’m not going to type it the way she actually said it) his response was much the same as in this article.. "I spoke English."____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #7 July 2, 2004 I am happy someone with his history and respect stood up and said what needed to be said. The fact that a black woman has 7 kids with different fathers and sits at home all day not even thinking about moving up on the food chain is not anyones fault but her own. Same thing goes for all the 15 to mid 20 year olds that are running up and down he street trying to be rappers and gangsters. No job, or a job at burger king living in government housing and sleeping till 12:00 and staying up all night instead of doing what they should to get ahead in life they blame the "white man". I guess the "white man" made you do it huh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #8 July 2, 2004 I'm really having trouble understanding why this is creating such a buzz. Liberals tell us all the time we don't need to save money for our retirement or worry much about screwing up in life because we can rely on Social Security, Medicaid etc. to cover us when we get old. All Cosby is doing is reflecting a Conservative approach and advocating personal responsibility and suddenly he's said something radical? This demonstarates to me how ingrained into our culture Liberalism has become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #9 July 2, 2004 QuoteAll Cosby is doing is reflecting a Conservative approach and advocating personal responsibility and suddenly he's said something radical? He's black, and he's a hollywood icon. When someone with that combination of credentials speaks the truth, it really is big news. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #10 July 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteAll Cosby is doing is reflecting a Conservative approach and advocating personal responsibility and suddenly he's said something radical? He's black, and he's a hollywood icon. When someone with that combination of credentials speaks the truth, it really is big news. He's Hollywood. When someone in that set doesn't perfectly toe the Socialist line, it's big news, or he's bashed up one side and down the other, or both. (ahem, Mel Gibson, Charlton Heston, etc)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #11 July 2, 2004 I hope he continues too - but I disagree that the black "Leadership" like Jackson and e Sharpton will follow. If they did - there would be no way to get them the attention that they (and SOOOOOOO many other) seem to need. The racism in tier hearts is a driving force keeping the true issue of racism from coming to the surface. It doesn't matter who did what wrong, they are a "Victim of Society" there will never be a need or a reason to place actual blame on anyone that has ever done anything wrong, well, that is, exept whoever it is that he disagrees with at the moment. I fully expect, that if Cosby continues on this issue - Sharpton and Jackson will be knocking on his door - if they haven't been already, and asking him to stop. If he refuses, he will be riddiculed as being anti-black.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #12 July 3, 2004 QuoteCosby caught a lot of flak a couple of months ago. It's like Cos was the first person with the guts to stand up and say something. Now he's saying it again, and it appears that other leaders are agreeing with him. Even Jesse Jackson seems to be catching on to it. I give Cosby all the credit in the world for saying what he is saying. Cos is tha man! What other black leaders do black people have lately? Sharpton?? Jackson?? Those big sissies are the very core of the "blame everyone else for black people's problems" movement! Of course, those who want to have a cushy ride on the "we've been oppressed" guilt train will object strenuously to Cos telling blacks to take initiative and pride and make an effort to make your lot better. It threatens their status quo. It sure as hell threatens the popularity of demagogues like Sharpton and Jackson. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #13 July 3, 2004 i think cosby was right, and he was brave to stand up and say what he did. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpergirl 0 #14 July 3, 2004 Quotei think cosby was right, and he was brave to stand up and say what he did. HELL YEAH!! Good for him for saying what needed to be said!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aprilcat 0 #15 July 3, 2004 Sorry Jeffrey, I have to partially disagree with you on this part. Jackson has long advocated education for blacks despite what obstacles are placed by society, past and present. Does he explicitly point the finger at white America? Yes, but on that note, he's living in the past (remember where he started, right behind King in the Civil Rights era). I think he got startled into the present by Cosby's comment (which was right on the damned money, if you ask me! Bravo!). Sharpton is another subject entirely. Cosby just threatened his bread and butter and he's got nothing else to go on. The man is successful, but he gained his success on the angry and fearful backs of the very people Cosby spoke about. The ones that continue to play the blame game. Why did it take so long for someone to say what should have been said a long time ago? Its a whole lot different when you live with it and you see your friends strive to become 'nothing'. I have no better way to put it. I have a close friend with whom I came back from a very dark episode in my life with. We understood each other like we WERE each other. When the new welfare reform was passed, I got a half hour phone call that blasted the mayor and govenor for leaving her without a 'safety net'. "What am I supposed to dooooooooooooo?" I didn't get angry with her. I didn't preach to her. I didn't tell her that the white man was holding her back. I told her 'get a freaking job. There's nothing wrong with you physically but I suggest you look at why you want to sit home and push out babies for men you hardly know (true in her case) and collect $350 every two weeks. Thats not living'. When this happened, Sharpton jumped up and said that the government needs to put more training programs in place. For who? The 17 y/o who is standing on the corner stylin'? Take your ass back to school--its not that difficult. For the mother who only set herself up to do hair or wear a dull blue security guard uniform? Well, do your hair and put the uniform on and go guard something--its not that freaking difficult. If that's what you set yourself up to be, then be it. I think welfare should be done away with except in extreme cases. 'Go guard something' is my new mantra. Jackson has always said this, but maybe NOW he'll stop tagging on 'the white man wants you to fail'...later for what the white man wants. Everyone should want something for themselves. Again, Bravo to Mr Cosby, I hope he keeps on saying what he's saying and is HEARD by black America. Rant over. ~~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #16 July 3, 2004 When asked by a young rap 'starlet' (in badly garbled ebonics) "How did you achieve your success" (paraphrased, I’m not going to type it the way she actually said it), his response was much the same as in this article.. "I spoke English." Bill Cosby's whole ticket to fame has been his skill with the English language, to tell stories that are so funny they make tears run down your cheeks as you almost stop breathing. I remember listening to some of his records at a friend's house when I was a kid back in the sixties. It's called wit, and it takes an educated mind to manufacture it. I've got nothing but the highest respect for Bill Cosby and think he makes a fine role model (mostly, there are a few personal foibles, like a child born outside his marriage) for anyone, black, white, or "other". Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #6 July 2, 2004 I’ve had a great deal of respect for him since he accepted his lifetime achievement award... when asked by a young rap 'starlet' (in badly garbled ebonics) "How did you achieve your success" (paraphrased, I’m not going to type it the way she actually said it) his response was much the same as in this article.. "I spoke English."____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #7 July 2, 2004 I am happy someone with his history and respect stood up and said what needed to be said. The fact that a black woman has 7 kids with different fathers and sits at home all day not even thinking about moving up on the food chain is not anyones fault but her own. Same thing goes for all the 15 to mid 20 year olds that are running up and down he street trying to be rappers and gangsters. No job, or a job at burger king living in government housing and sleeping till 12:00 and staying up all night instead of doing what they should to get ahead in life they blame the "white man". I guess the "white man" made you do it huh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 July 2, 2004 I'm really having trouble understanding why this is creating such a buzz. Liberals tell us all the time we don't need to save money for our retirement or worry much about screwing up in life because we can rely on Social Security, Medicaid etc. to cover us when we get old. All Cosby is doing is reflecting a Conservative approach and advocating personal responsibility and suddenly he's said something radical? This demonstarates to me how ingrained into our culture Liberalism has become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #9 July 2, 2004 QuoteAll Cosby is doing is reflecting a Conservative approach and advocating personal responsibility and suddenly he's said something radical? He's black, and he's a hollywood icon. When someone with that combination of credentials speaks the truth, it really is big news. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #10 July 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteAll Cosby is doing is reflecting a Conservative approach and advocating personal responsibility and suddenly he's said something radical? He's black, and he's a hollywood icon. When someone with that combination of credentials speaks the truth, it really is big news. He's Hollywood. When someone in that set doesn't perfectly toe the Socialist line, it's big news, or he's bashed up one side and down the other, or both. (ahem, Mel Gibson, Charlton Heston, etc)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 July 2, 2004 I hope he continues too - but I disagree that the black "Leadership" like Jackson and e Sharpton will follow. If they did - there would be no way to get them the attention that they (and SOOOOOOO many other) seem to need. The racism in tier hearts is a driving force keeping the true issue of racism from coming to the surface. It doesn't matter who did what wrong, they are a "Victim of Society" there will never be a need or a reason to place actual blame on anyone that has ever done anything wrong, well, that is, exept whoever it is that he disagrees with at the moment. I fully expect, that if Cosby continues on this issue - Sharpton and Jackson will be knocking on his door - if they haven't been already, and asking him to stop. If he refuses, he will be riddiculed as being anti-black.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #12 July 3, 2004 QuoteCosby caught a lot of flak a couple of months ago. It's like Cos was the first person with the guts to stand up and say something. Now he's saying it again, and it appears that other leaders are agreeing with him. Even Jesse Jackson seems to be catching on to it. I give Cosby all the credit in the world for saying what he is saying. Cos is tha man! What other black leaders do black people have lately? Sharpton?? Jackson?? Those big sissies are the very core of the "blame everyone else for black people's problems" movement! Of course, those who want to have a cushy ride on the "we've been oppressed" guilt train will object strenuously to Cos telling blacks to take initiative and pride and make an effort to make your lot better. It threatens their status quo. It sure as hell threatens the popularity of demagogues like Sharpton and Jackson. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #13 July 3, 2004 i think cosby was right, and he was brave to stand up and say what he did. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #14 July 3, 2004 Quotei think cosby was right, and he was brave to stand up and say what he did. HELL YEAH!! Good for him for saying what needed to be said!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aprilcat 0 #15 July 3, 2004 Sorry Jeffrey, I have to partially disagree with you on this part. Jackson has long advocated education for blacks despite what obstacles are placed by society, past and present. Does he explicitly point the finger at white America? Yes, but on that note, he's living in the past (remember where he started, right behind King in the Civil Rights era). I think he got startled into the present by Cosby's comment (which was right on the damned money, if you ask me! Bravo!). Sharpton is another subject entirely. Cosby just threatened his bread and butter and he's got nothing else to go on. The man is successful, but he gained his success on the angry and fearful backs of the very people Cosby spoke about. The ones that continue to play the blame game. Why did it take so long for someone to say what should have been said a long time ago? Its a whole lot different when you live with it and you see your friends strive to become 'nothing'. I have no better way to put it. I have a close friend with whom I came back from a very dark episode in my life with. We understood each other like we WERE each other. When the new welfare reform was passed, I got a half hour phone call that blasted the mayor and govenor for leaving her without a 'safety net'. "What am I supposed to dooooooooooooo?" I didn't get angry with her. I didn't preach to her. I didn't tell her that the white man was holding her back. I told her 'get a freaking job. There's nothing wrong with you physically but I suggest you look at why you want to sit home and push out babies for men you hardly know (true in her case) and collect $350 every two weeks. Thats not living'. When this happened, Sharpton jumped up and said that the government needs to put more training programs in place. For who? The 17 y/o who is standing on the corner stylin'? Take your ass back to school--its not that difficult. For the mother who only set herself up to do hair or wear a dull blue security guard uniform? Well, do your hair and put the uniform on and go guard something--its not that freaking difficult. If that's what you set yourself up to be, then be it. I think welfare should be done away with except in extreme cases. 'Go guard something' is my new mantra. Jackson has always said this, but maybe NOW he'll stop tagging on 'the white man wants you to fail'...later for what the white man wants. Everyone should want something for themselves. Again, Bravo to Mr Cosby, I hope he keeps on saying what he's saying and is HEARD by black America. Rant over. ~~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #16 July 3, 2004 When asked by a young rap 'starlet' (in badly garbled ebonics) "How did you achieve your success" (paraphrased, I’m not going to type it the way she actually said it), his response was much the same as in this article.. "I spoke English." Bill Cosby's whole ticket to fame has been his skill with the English language, to tell stories that are so funny they make tears run down your cheeks as you almost stop breathing. I remember listening to some of his records at a friend's house when I was a kid back in the sixties. It's called wit, and it takes an educated mind to manufacture it. I've got nothing but the highest respect for Bill Cosby and think he makes a fine role model (mostly, there are a few personal foibles, like a child born outside his marriage) for anyone, black, white, or "other". Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #17 July 4, 2004 No shit, bro. Bill Cosby for president!!!!! Is this man not the shit or what? I love his honesty and straight-forwardness. Anyone that shoots straight from the hip is ok in my book. Major props to the Cos. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #18 July 4, 2004 Bill Cosby's speech was extremely on point. I know little of his other political views.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #19 July 6, 2004 I live fairly close to Bill's main estate and I have had the privilege of meeting and talking with him many times. What you've seen lately is truly who the man is. His wife Camille is an incredible woman also. One thing she does that really impresses me is that she constantly buys a lot of land in Western Mass. for the purpose of preserving it. She truly is a great environmentalist. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #20 July 6, 2004 Quoteenvironmentalist. Gaahh. Every time I hear that word I shudder. Eco-freaks, tree-huggers, and domestic terrorists. You mean "conservationist" or "preservationist," right?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 July 6, 2004 >Every time I hear that word I shudder. Shudder away, but using a different word to mean the same thing isn't much of a change. Environmentalism, per the dictionary: ---------- Advocacy for or work toward protecting the natural environment from destruction or pollution. ---------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #22 July 7, 2004 Conservationist, preservationist or environmentalist; call Mrs. Cosby whatever you want. But she is most definitely not a tree hugger or eco-terrorist. She's a woman who cares for the beauty of Western Mass. and has the bucks to preserve what she can. Being a resident of Western Mass., I truly appreciate what she is doing. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #23 July 7, 2004 I know I've explained the difference between denotative and connotative to you before. Deal with it.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #24 July 7, 2004 QuoteI am happy someone with his history and respect stood up and said what needed to be said. The fact that a black woman has 7 kids with different fathers and sits at home all day not even thinking about moving up on the food chain is not anyones fault but her own. Same thing goes for all the 15 to mid 20 year olds that are running up and down he street trying to be rappers and gangsters. No job, or a job at burger king living in government housing and sleeping till 12:00 and staying up all night instead of doing what they should to get ahead in life they blame the "white man". I guess the "white man" made you do it huh. i think you are generalising somewhat. It might seem like this around your neck of the woods, but people of all races fit the description you have just described above, and i see it daily here (i work in a poor area of London). I would say this is not something just endemic to black people, but rather poor people, with little to no opportunity (whether out of choice or their environment, i will leave that for another discussion). No one race is exempt from a bad social situation. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #25 July 7, 2004 QuoteI'm really having trouble understanding why this is creating such a buzz. Liberals tell us all the time we don't need to save money for our retirement or worry much about screwing up in life because we can rely on Social Security, Medicaid etc. to cover us when we get old. All Cosby is doing is reflecting a Conservative approach and advocating personal responsibility and suddenly he's said something radical? This demonstarates to me how ingrained into our culture Liberalism has become. um what? I consider myself liberal. I don't save a penny for my retirement and have no pension. I'm nearly 30. If you think liberals are all about telling people they can rely on social security, you're way off point. Social secutiry here, buys you next to no existence. In the States, welfare buys you less. I'm all about welfare for those UNABLE to take care of themselves - everyone else should be trying to work and contribute. I'm still a liberal. How is Cosby reflecting a conservative approach?? He is reflecting a COMMON SENSE approach - as he states, how can someone who can't communicate well become a doctor? That's not conservative, it's just fact. It's not radical what he is saying, it's just politically incorrect and has caused a storm in the media as a result. Lumping people or ideologies into groups like that is just lazy, besides which, it's inaccurate and wrong. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
