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Hitler!
I said it, argument over.
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I said it, argument over.
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I secont it.
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Hey Peaceful, Just don't forget that in Europe it is also acceptable that anyone studying phsycology is allowed to fulfill any pedophilic desires.
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon
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>Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if they tried that shit here in
> the good ol' U.S.A.
People defend it as a neccessary part of the war on terror. We DO arrest people without charging them with any crime. We DO detain them forever without access to laywers. We DO 'wiretap' email and phone conversations without court orders. It's all part of the "war on terror."
>And I wonder what would happen if the government here tried to tell
> Jews, Muslims and Christians that they couldn't wear overt signs of
> their faith, like stars, head scarves or crucifixes.
We'd say "OK" once the government explained that Arabs were using their headscarves to disguise their identities. The War on Terror and all that.
> the good ol' U.S.A.
People defend it as a neccessary part of the war on terror. We DO arrest people without charging them with any crime. We DO detain them forever without access to laywers. We DO 'wiretap' email and phone conversations without court orders. It's all part of the "war on terror."
>And I wonder what would happen if the government here tried to tell
> Jews, Muslims and Christians that they couldn't wear overt signs of
> their faith, like stars, head scarves or crucifixes.
We'd say "OK" once the government explained that Arabs were using their headscarves to disguise their identities. The War on Terror and all that.
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I find nothing wrong with the voting record, taken verbatim, as you listed it.
You overlooked/forgot Kerry's service as a public prosecutor in Middlesex County, MA. He gained a reputation as a very tough, no-nonsense prosecutor.
There are plenty of good reasons for being against the death penalty, the biggest one being that too many innocent people who can't afford big-gun attorneys are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and sadly, sometimes executed. That's reason enough right there to get rid of it for all time.
And finally, as an ex-Catholic, I think the church should spend more time and attention on keeping the clergy's dicks out of the altar boys' buttholes. Does anybody really CARE what a bunch of organized child molestors think about how politicians should vote. Americans were worried that Kennedy might be too Catholic, are saying Kerry's not Catholic enough ? Who the fuck cares !!
Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !
You overlooked/forgot Kerry's service as a public prosecutor in Middlesex County, MA. He gained a reputation as a very tough, no-nonsense prosecutor.
There are plenty of good reasons for being against the death penalty, the biggest one being that too many innocent people who can't afford big-gun attorneys are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and sadly, sometimes executed. That's reason enough right there to get rid of it for all time.
And finally, as an ex-Catholic, I think the church should spend more time and attention on keeping the clergy's dicks out of the altar boys' buttholes. Does anybody really CARE what a bunch of organized child molestors think about how politicians should vote. Americans were worried that Kennedy might be too Catholic, are saying Kerry's not Catholic enough ? Who the fuck cares !!
Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !
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Those are your opinions - you're certainly welcome to them.
I remain Catholic and think you should think a bit harder prior to making such statements about the Church and its clergy. The percentage of priests involved in such despicable antics is quite low. I'd also say that John Paul II lost his ability to lead the Church in America with his non-response to the issue. The media attempted to destroy the Church in America using that scandal.
I remain Catholic and think you should think a bit harder prior to making such statements about the Church and its clergy. The percentage of priests involved in such despicable antics is quite low. I'd also say that John Paul II lost his ability to lead the Church in America with his non-response to the issue. The media attempted to destroy the Church in America using that scandal.
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"I wonder what would happen if they tried that shit here in the good ol' U.S.A. "
You'd probably get people requesting the resolution of the detainees in Guantanamo.
You'd probably get people requesting the resolution of the detainees in Guantanamo.
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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
QuoteThe media attempted to destroy the Church in America using that scandal.
The media was not the one committing the crime AND covering it up...
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QuoteHey Peaceful, Just don't forget that in Europe it is also acceptable that anyone studying phsycology is allowed to fulfill any pedophilic desires.
Uhhh!!! Juanesky, Juanesky, i think that fully qualifies as a personal attack... But do not worry, i forgive you.
Please, could you keep your petty posts to a single thread, it is getting harder to keep track of all the threads where you bring across our personal differences rather than talk about the issue under discussion.
See, the thing is that i have made a point to answer all your post no matter how shallow they may be.
QuoteWell, first of all, I remember being told that UK does not have a written Constitution anything like the U.S.'s -- certainly not one whose sole purpose is to delineate what powers the government has and to specifically prohibit it from usurping any more.
What good does it make having a written constitucion if you allow your president to pass laws like the patriot act that reduces the freedom in the rest of the constitution?
QuoteHmmm... I wonder what would happen if they tried that shit here in the good ol' U.S.A.
Same thing than with the Patriot act.
QuoteAnd I wonder what would happen if the government here tried to tell Jews, Muslims and Christians that they couldn't wear overt signs of their faith, like stars, head scarves or crucifixes. France has no problem with squashing religious freedom thus...
Maybe you should inform yourself a bit better before posting. France has outlawed religious symbols ONLY in public schools. Schools paid by the government where one of the characteristics is that they do not endorse to any religion. IMO they are respecting the freedom of those who wanted to go to a non religious school. If you want to wear a fancy foot long crucifix, you can do it absolutely everywhere but is some schools.
QuoteYour claims that these countries have comparable constitutions is not supported yet. Are they online somewhere to which you could link us?
Til then, as someone else said, "your claims are hearsay."-
You have not proved yet that no country have nearly the freedom the US has as you said initially.
Til then, as someone else said, "your claims are hearsay."
Do prove to us what you say with a nice online internet site and i will take the time to prove you wrong.
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QuoteWhat good does it make having a written constitucion if you allow your president to pass laws like the patriot act that reduces the freedom in the rest of the constitution?
Maybe you should educate yourself before making a statement like this.
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>Maybe you should educate yourself before making a statement like this.
A bit of history here:
Question #1 - who is the "he" they are referring to in this document?
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He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation.
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Question #2 - what did we do about it?
And as for the education part:
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
A bit of history here:
Question #1 - who is the "he" they are referring to in this document?
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He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation.
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Question #2 - what did we do about it?
And as for the education part:
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Errr... I hate to burst your bubble, Bill but I was simply refering to the statement that the President passed the Patriot Act. Nice try at over-kill though. 
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For the umpteenth time, the prisoners in Guantanimo are wartime detainees, not prisoners of war, and certainly not held under provisions of the penal code. How does the fifth apply? If it has any relevance to the case at all, wouldn't the "cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger" exemption apply? As to the Sixth, it is prefaced with "In all criminal prosecutions..." These are not criminal prosecutions, so whoops, this one doesn't apply either.
Consider that a free addition to your education.
You do realize that the protections in the constitution apply to situations on US soil and to representatives of the US government only, right?
Bottom line is that they only apply to government people here in the US, and lacking either of those things, they do not apply.
Consider that a free addition to your education.
You do realize that the protections in the constitution apply to situations on US soil and to representatives of the US government only, right?
Bottom line is that they only apply to government people here in the US, and lacking either of those things, they do not apply.
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Quotewartime detainees, not prisoners of war
Is this for real? ROTFLMAO.....
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Read the Geneva Conventions. They don't qualify as POWs, and I don't know a better word for them, so I called them wartime detainees. You have a better word for them?
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Spain, France, Uk, Scotland, Portugal, Italy, Denmark, Belgium, etc...
Please, do enlighten us and tell us of a particular freedom you have as an US citizen (legal or illegal) that we don´t have for living in an European country.
Well, first of all, I remember being told that UK does not have a written Constitution anything like the U.S.'s -- certainly not one whose sole purpose is to delineate what powers the government has and to specifically prohibit it from usurping any more.
Here:
Britain -- Parliament increasingly has given the police power to stop and search vehicles as well as pedestrians. Police may arrest any person they "reasonably" suspect supports an illegal organization. The grand jury, an ancient common law institution, was abolished in 1933. Civil jury trials have been abolished in all cases except libel, and criminal jury trials are rare. . . . While America has the Miranda rules, Britain allows police to interrogate suspects who have asked that interrogation stop, and allows the police to keep defense lawyers away from suspects under interrogation for limited periods. Britain allows evidence which has been derived from a coerced confession to be used in court. Wiretaps do not need judicial approval and it is unlawful in a British court to point out the fact that a police wiretap was illegal." (Kopel, 1992, pp. 101-102.)
Recently, London law enforcement authorities began installing cameras overlooking selected intersections in the city`s business district, to observe passers-by on the sidewalks. The British Home Office has introduced "`Anti-Social Behaviour Orders` -- special court orders intended to deal with people who cannot be proven to have committed a crime, but whom the police want to restrict anyway. Behaviour Orders can, among other things, prohibit a person from visiting a particular street or premises, set a curfew or lead to a person`s eviction from his home. Violation of a Behaviour Order can carry a prison sentence of up to five years. Prime Minister Tony Blair is now proposing that the government be allowed to confine people proactively, based on fears of their potential danger to society." (Kopel, et al., 2001, p. 27.)
Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if they tried that shit here in the good ol' U.S.A.
And I wonder what would happen if the government here tried to tell Jews, Muslims and Christians that they couldn't wear overt signs of their faith, like stars, head scarves or crucifixes. France has no problem with squashing religious freedom thus...
Your claims that these countries have comparable constitutions is not supported yet. Are they online somewhere to which you could link us?
Til then, as someone else said, "your claims are hearsay."
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