They tried to steal it again

[kallend 2,174]

www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63972,00.html?tw=wn_4polihead

but a judge just ruled that Florida can't keep the list secret this time.

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Oh, god, here we go again with a tirade from the left about how precious the votes of felons are.

Tell you what, if no felon ever got to vote again in all the future that remains, I would not be bothered, and I don't think our country would suffer harm.

They're fucking FELONS, dude. It's not like someone is out there trying to keep COLLEGE STUDENTS from voting. Let's get our priorities straight. Do you really want your party to be known (well, too late) as the party that had to rely on FELONS favoring them in order to get elected?!

Who on earth believes that if the left did not feel confident that the majority of felons would vote for democrats, that they would give a flying fuck about getting felons' civil rights restored??

These are the same felons that liberals are too chicken-shit to stand up to by being be armed in case of criminal attack. "That's what 911 is for..."

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-Jeffrey
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[kallend 2,174]

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Oh, god, here we go again with a tirade from the left about how precious the votes of felons are.

Tell you what, if no felon ever got to vote again in all the future that remains, I would not be bothered, and I don't think our country would suffer harm.

They're fucking FELONS, dude. It's not like someone is out there trying to keep COLLEGE STUDENTS from voting. Let's get our priorities straight. Do you really want your party to be known (well, too late) as the party that had to rely on FELONS favoring them in order to get elected?!

Who on earth believes that if the left did not feel confident that the majority of felons would vote for democrats, that they would give a flying fuck about getting felons' civil rights restored??

These are the same felons that liberals are too chicken-shit to stand up to by being be armed in case of criminal attack. "That's what 911 is for..."

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Well, if you BOTHERED to do a little research you would find that the list was filled with errors. THAT is the point. A lot of non-felons were prevented from voting in the 2000 election because of errors. And the Bushites in FL wanted to keep it secret so no-one could find out.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Can you or anyone else establish that these non-felons who were mistakenly prevented from voting would have voted for Gore?

Of course you can't.

I want to know -- people band together if they are victims of just about anything that the world can throw at them, so where is the "Association of Disenfranchised Non Felons"?

How many of the non-felons who were erroneously placed on the felon list actually did attempt to vote and were turned away? How many of these people are out there with certified letters from the Board of Elections stating that they were erroneously prohibited from voting in 2000 and have been reinstated? Because if people who didn't go out to vote in the first place were on that list, they are moot, right?

I mean, if I were told, right there at my local polling station, that I was ineligible to vote because I was listed as a felon (I am not), I sure as shit would have been seeking redress, and at the very least that would mean having myself cleared to vote by the following year. These people have had almost four years. Where are they all? Wouldn't there be a statistic of how many people had been reinstated who had not belonged on the list? At the very least, someone should have set up a hotline for people to call if they found themselves erroneously called a felon, even if it were an independent, non-governmental agency, and we'd know how far and wide the problem was.

Why isn't anyone looking into the felon lists in Tennessee? A win in his home state of Tennessee would have given Gore the election. Maybe there were non-felons in TN who were told they couldn't vote, enough of them to have turned things Gore's way...

Surely every person who tried to vote and found himself being called a felon was indignant and sought to have the situation rectified?

Where are all these disenfranchised people??

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Can you or anyone else establish that these non-felons who were mistakenly prevented from voting would have voted for Gore?

Who they would have voted for is irrelevant, and waiting 4 years to cast your vote in an election because the powers that be screwed up is unacceptable too. If they're going to use that list to prevent people from voting, it's their responsibility to make sure it's 100% accurate.

Now if they're too stupid to punch a hole in a ballad...well that's their own damn fault

Blues,
Ian

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Everyone eligible to vote should get to. Including soldiers who are out of state.

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Now if they're too stupid to punch a hole in a ballad...well that's their own damn fault

Not being able to sing can hardly be attributed to stupidity.

Marking a ballot incorrectly on the other hand....

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DOH!

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And the Bushites

I think they prefer "Bushies" or "Bushlets".

What are the Gore people called? "Goreites"? "Gorians"? "Gories"? Yikes, that last one is pretty scary.

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Oh, god, here we go again with a tirade from the left about how precious the votes of felons are.

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Relax, you'll bust a gasket. The law is the law, and these people have had their voting rights restored, therefore, they should be allowed to vote.

It's not a left or right issue, but simply one of illegal disenfranchisement. If you are allowed to vote, you should be able to. If you don't want ex felons to vote, then change the law that allows them to regain those rights.

Fairly simple really.

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I think they prefer "Bushies" or "Bushlets".

Bzzzzzt. Incorrect answer.

The correct answer is "Bush Lover". I'm a bush lover, you're a bush lover. Hell, even Clinton is a bush lover. (Both Hil asnd Bill)

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[billvon 3,131]

>What are the Gore people called?

Goreans?

Actually, that name has already been taken to describe followers of John Norman (aka John Frederick Lange.) He wrote some soft-sci-fi books that took an unconventional view of male/female sexuality, and was ostracized for a while because his views were decidedly non-feminist.

And that is your useless fact for the day.

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Oh, god, here we go again with a tirade from the left about how precious the votes of felons are.

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Relax, you'll bust a gasket. The law is the law, and these people have had their voting rights restored, therefore, they should be allowed to vote.

It's not a left or right issue, but simply one of illegal disenfranchisement. If you are allowed to vote, you should be able to. If you don't want ex felons to vote, then change the law that allows them to regain those rights.

Fairly simple really.

Since we haven't specified which people we are talking about yet, your statements are not intrinsically valid.

Are we talking about ex felons, or are we talking about people who were mistakenly put on a list of felons prohibited from voting?

Felons in Florida are NOT automatically given back their right to vote. They have to apply for it -- and I think that this is GOOD, because only those motivated to use their vote will bother, and those who can't be bothered to take part in elections won't get off there asses, and so we will be spared that many uninformed votes.

Of course I am opposed to non-felons being mistakenly placed on the list of prohibited felons. That's part of why the board of elections sends out, in advance of the election, sample ballots and cards that show you are registered. If you don't get one, you ought to know there's a problem and you should check it out before you are told you can't vote.

Voting is not just a right, it's a responsibility. I think that a lot of people take it too lightly, and expect that it will involve absolutely no work on their part.

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[sundevil777 102]

What a load of shit...

From an article about the big, fat, liar and his lying movie to be published in the National Review Online:

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

Florida Purge of Convicted Felons from Voter Rolls

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According to Fahrenheit, Bush cronies hired Data Base Technologies to purge Florida voters who might vote for Gore, and these potential voters were purged from the voting rolls on the basis of race. ("Second, make sure the chairman of your campaign is also the vote count woman. And that her state has hired a company that's gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren't likely to vote for you. You can usually tell 'em by the color of their skin.") As explained by the Palm Beach Post, Moore's claim is extremely incomplete, and on at least one fact, plainly false.



The 1998 mayoral election in Miami was a fiasco which was declared void by Florida courts, because--in violation of Florida law--convicted felons had been allowed to vote. The Florida legislature ordered the executive branch to purge felons from the voting rolls before the next election. Following instructions from Florida officials, Data Base Technologies (DBT) aggressively attempted to identify all convicted felons who were illegally registered to vote in Florida.



There were two major problems with the purge. First, several states allow felons to vote once they have completed their sentences. Some of these ex-felons moved to Florida and were, according to a court decision, eligible to vote. Florida improperly purged these immigrant felons.



Second, the comprehensive effort to identify all convicted felons led to large number of false positives, in which persons with, for example, the same name as a convicted felon, were improperly purged. Purged voters were, in most cases, notified months before the election and given an opportunity to appeal, but the necessity to file an appeal was in itself a barrier which probably discouraged some legitimate, non-felon citizens from voting. According to the Palm Beach Post, at least 1,100 people were improperly purged.



The overbreadth of the purge was well-known in Florida before the election. As a result, election officials in 20 of Florida's counties ignored the purge list entirely. In these counties, convicted felons were allowed to vote. Also according to the Post, thousands of felons were improperly allowed to vote in the 20 non-purging counties.



When allowed to vote, felons vote approximately 69 percent Democratic, according to a study in the American Sociological Review. Therefore, if the thousands of felons in the non-purging 20 counties had been not been illegally allowed to vote, it is likely that Bush's statewide margin would have been substantially larger.



It seems to me that even if we presume that the 1,100 wrongly purged Florida voters would have voted Democratic at the same rate that felons do (even though some of these voters were non-felons who were the victim of mistaken identity), the net result of the 2000 purge fiasco harmed Bush: the number of votes which Gore gained as a result of 20 counties refusing to conduct the felon purge far outnumbered how many votes that Gore lost as the result of the overbroad purges in other counties.



Regardless, Moore's claim that the purge was conducted on the basis of race was indisputably false. As the Palm Beach Post details, all the evidence shows that Data Base Technologies did not use race as a basis for the purge. Indeed, DBT's refusal to take note of a registered voter's race was one of the reasons for the many cases of mistaken identity.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Erroll 80]

Interesting article on CNN

From the article:-

Her conclusion: there will be so many problems with the more than 100,000 paperless voting terminals to be used in the November presidential election that the fiasco will dwarf Florida's hanging chad debacle of 2000.

"We have a train wreck that's definitely going to happen," Harris said. "We have conflict of interest, we've taken the checks and balances away, and we know the votes are already being miscounted fairly frequently. This is going to be huge."


And just to balance things - from the same article:-

Critics say Harris, author of "Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century," is a fear-mongering grandstander and a presumptuous conspiracy theorist. The prime target of one investigation -- voting equipment maker Diebold Inc. -- says her antics undermine democracy.