Lemmings Vs Invertebrates

[Botellines 0]

In this post PhillyKev and Ron can bash at each other at will.
Tom suggested them to keep the fighting to only one thread, and not to all of them, so guys, keep the sense of humor up.
We can even throw a little poll to see what kind of little animal we are.

[Luv2Fall 0]

I'm a Lemming of the highest caliber.

[Botellines 0]

Not hard to guess, but i am quite an Invertebrate. Did you ever played with that computer game called "Lemmings"? they even had a version called "Lemmings 3D"
Do you have green hair?

[Luv2Fall 0]

Nope...........I'm a Lemming for other reasons.

[PhillyKev 0]

That's ok. I'm done with that. I wished Ron a nice day. If he wants to continue it he's free to do so.

Have a nice day.

[turtlespeed 226]

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Have a nice day.

Quit telling me what to do - I am SO TIRED of you and you "I can tell you wjhat to do " attitude!

What makes you think that I need a nice day? Who are you do try to dictate to me WHAT kind of day to have?

I have heard of skygods - but DAMN - you take it to a whole new level!

HOW DARE YOU!

Have a nice day yourself!

edited to add this clicky and of course some spelling errorz

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Botellines 0]

LMAO, that is taking the old line "Don´t tell me what to do" to the next level

[PhillyKev 0]

You have an ESPECIALLY nice day.

[Botellines 0]

Are we the only invertebrate in these forums? it cannot be!!!! Come on Kallend, Nightingale, please come forward and vote

You all have a WONDERFULL day

[rehmwa 2]

This is not posted for anyone in particular. Or to everyone equally, I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings - or everyone's. I like hot caramel sundaes.

Have a day.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[gjhdiver 0]

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Are we the only invertebrate in these forums? it cannot be!!!! Come on Kallend, Nightingale, please come forward and vote

You all have a WONDERFULL day

That's because there's not enough choice in the poll. I'm neither.

[Ron 10]

I am a lemming.

And while I have no ill wishes against PhillyKev...I'm glad he will never cover my six.

I wish nothing but the best for anyone.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[turtlespeed 226]

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I am a lemming.

And while I have ill wishes against PhillyKev...I'm glad he will never cover my six.

I wish nothing but the best for anyone.

You contradicted yourself in the post -

Either you have Ill Wishes for PK - or you wish the best for everyone -
As hard as we all try to deny it, PK is still SOMEONE.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[PhillyKev 0]

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PK is still SOMEONE

I'm sick of the goddamn slander in here. MOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDD!!!

[Botellines 0]

You are a Lemming, you are not supposed to have your six covered.


Now seriously, is there any thing that would make you disobey your contract with the US army? I think that PK and you agree, the diference is that you don´t consider this war illegal and unfair and PK does.
If you where told by the POTUS himself to kill an unarmed 15 years old iraqui girl, would yo do it? i bet not, so you also think on your own. To some people collateral damage is not acceptable unless there is clearly an aggression by the other country (premptive war does not aply). To some people, including myself, it is the same wether that 15 years olf girl end up with a bullet in her head or in little pieces all over the street because some pilot failed the shot.
It has nothing to do with being a coward or not having honor. i am sure it takes more guts to say i am going to prison instead of Irak than going to Irak.
I will take PK to watch for my spineless 6

[Ron 10]

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You contradicted yourself in the post -

Either you have Ill Wishes for PK - or you wish the best for everyone -
As hard as we all try to deny it, PK is still SOMEONE.

sorry that should have said I have NO ill wished for PK....I guess it was a Freudian slip.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[rehmwa 2]

If you agreed to serve, you can serve with honor, even in a cause which you don't agree with the politics in. And you also then meet the legal contract you signed up to. (lots of dangling preps here in). Which is also the honorable thing to do.

You can serve with others who also will do their best - and these will mostly be honorable people too, not slavering baby killers, but people who met the call and believe they are doing the best thing they can do in a very difficult scenario which they may or may not agree with, but still have to deal with it. You can refuse unlawful orders and execute lawful orders, yet still serve - you are expected to do just that.

These are the people we need. Not those that hide from the problem, and not those that really are the 'slavering baby killers'.

To hide/avoid completely from that, then you never did take the opportunity to serve and do it right. Only to avoid it and make it someone elses problem. And to rationalize that by making some sweeping statement about disagreeing with obscure political viewpoints seems to be just that - rationalization. It's a difference between true righteousness and self-righteousness.

I think that for watching my 6, I'd take Ron any day. He'll do the right thing without hesitation and live with the consequences of his decisions afterwards. But he'd act if forced to.

Strangely enough, I think that PK would too if it was the streets of Philly. So I'd stand with him too, locally.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[PhillyKev 0]

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Strangely enough, I think that PK would too if it was the streets of Philly. So I'd stand with him too, locally.

I would, at that. And I'll go you one better. If I were in the service it would be because I thought I should be there. It wouldn't be because I was drafted.

Who would you rather have watch your back? Someone who is drafted, doesn't agree with the war, and only went out of obligation? Or someone who believes in the cause?

[turtlespeed 226]

Good question -

Some of the most highly decorated hero's of past wars and conflicts were drated.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Luv2Fall 0]

Most often, under fire, it isn't anything to do with belief or "cause", you do it for your buddies..........that's the way it works.

[PhillyKev 0]

And I'd bet most of the incidents of fratracide in past wars involved draftees who didn't want to be there.

[PhillyKev 0]

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Most often, under fire, it isn't anything to do with belief or "cause", you do it for your buddies..........that's the way it works.

Agreed. that decision would be made before going. Once there, it's about being the best soldier you can be.

[Ron 10]

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Now seriously, is there any thing that would make you disobey your contract with the US army?

No. I signed a contract that said I would be willing to put myself second to the good of the country.

Now, that does NOT mean I would obey unlawful orders.

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I think that PK and you agree, the diference is that you don´t consider this war illegal and unfair and PK does

This has NOTHING to do with this war. It has to do with the simple fact that:

A. I signed a contract saying I would serve...and I will if asked again. MY signature is on those papers.

B. My friends are there and they are my brothers. I support them even if I don't agree with why they are there.

C. It has to do with the fact that I have and continue to enjoy the liberties that have been afforded to me by the people that have served before me. And my DUTY to perform those same actions if ASKED by MY country.

D. If I agree or disagree with the war in Iraq I know this much....Saddam stated many times he hated the US, He tried to kill a former President, He used WMD's on people, He tourtured people, He was a negative influence in the middle east, He supported terroists in the middle east.

For any or all of these reasons I would serve to remove him. I don't need a better reason to kill someone than their repeated threats to kill me after I know they are willing and able to do it.

SH had made threats against the United States...He HAS started one war, plotted to kill a former President, and I have no doubt if he could have, he would have done damage to us....It does not matter to me if he could or could not do damage...Him saying he would if he could was enough for me to want him removed.

Simple enough...A guy that calls me his enemy and wishes me harm, becomes my enemy.

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If you where told by the POTUS himself to kill an unarmed 15 years old iraqui girl, would yo do it? i bet not, so you also think on your own.

Again that is an ILLEGAL order. Now if that same 15 year old had a weapon and was a combatant, I would drop her.

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To some people collateral damage is not acceptable unless there is clearly an aggression by the other country (premptive war does not aply).

He tried to kill a former President, He fired at planes in the No Fly zone, he gave money to families of suicide bombers, He continued to tourture people...Dude that is Aggression.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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[chuckbrown 0]

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Who would you rather have watch your back? Someone who is drafted, doesn't agree with the war, and only went out of obligation? Or someone who believes in the cause?

That statement does a tremendous disservice to the men who went to Vietnam. Most were there, not because they believed in the cause, but because they were drafted. Considering the fact that most of our troops were fighting against what were considered to be the best light infantry in the world, I'd say the Vietnam draftees were some of the best soldiers our country has fielded.

I have to go back and see if I can get a pass for Bridge Day now.