kallend 2,146 #26 July 1, 2004 QuoteYep - National Merit scholarship + Pell Grant + Full time job (pizza) while taking full time classes (engineering). Only took out one loan my final year and paid it off early. I think working full time and putting myself through college was worth 100 times more to potential employers than my high GPA also. (I'll hire a 3.0 who did it on his own above a 4.0 who had it all paid for - every time) . So how many scholarships did you turn down so you could do it on your own? Would you hire a 3.0 who turned down merit scholarships he had been offered, so he could do it on his own? Does that show good judgement? Would you tell that 4.0 who had merit scholarships that he should have turned them down, and that you won't hire him because he accepted them?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #27 July 1, 2004 Poke poke, jab jab. I'm in reference to the parents paying for it. Get over yourself. Grade point is a very small part of hiring decisions compared to personality, drive, attitude. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #28 July 1, 2004 QuotePoke poke, jab jab. I'm in reference to the parents paying for it. Get over yourself. How about answering the questions?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #29 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteYep - National Merit scholarship + Pell Grant + Full time job (pizza) while taking full time classes (engineering). Only took out one loan my final year and paid it off early. I think working full time and putting myself through college was worth 100 times more to potential employers than my high GPA also. (I'll hire a 3.0 who did it on his own above a 4.0 who had it all paid for - every time) . So how many scholarships did you turn down so you could do it on your own? Would you hire a 3.0 who turned down merit scholarships he had been offered, so he could do it on his own? Does that show good judgement? Would you tell that 4.0 who had merit scholarships that he should have turned them down, and that you won't hire him because he accepted them? Yes - besides taking advantage of welfare - as you would evidently do - is wrong in my book. I would opt for the 3.0 that decided that he could do it on his own and knows how to do for himself. Leave the scolarships for those that can't do for them selves, or the ones that need the extra help. Me - no I never went to college, I didn't even gradgeate from high school - yes, I should have - I Know that - It has taken me a lot longer to get to where i wanted to be - but I am here - and now I am a project manager for 5 to 6 million dollar projects including, but not limited to various Granite memorials around the Brazos Valley where I currently live.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #30 July 1, 2004 Worked 40 hours a week during my engineering undergrad and paid as I went (actually had to borrow $1000 from my parents at one point in time, but that was so I could fly home for christmas, and I paid them like 1.5 months later), managed to graduate in 3.5 years. Currently have a research assistantship for grad school, so I work half as much and make twice as much; hence why I can skydive now. Quote(I'll hire a 3.0 who did it on his own above a 4.0 who had it all paid for - every time)Quote Well then...you hiring any time in the near future?!? I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #31 July 1, 2004 Sorry, we just downsized. Soon the hiring cycle will start again. It's pretty consistent. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #32 July 1, 2004 Yes. Paid my own way with the G.I. Bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #33 July 1, 2004 so you're saying I should turn down a 40% scholarship to law school just so I can pay for it myself?? sorry, but that's just plain stupid. Many scholarships are provided by the university to attract students the university sees as desirable, who will help build its reputation. They're not welfare. They're EARNED. Merit scholarships are earned through things like high GPA, test scores, such as the LSAT, and other various personal achievements. Its basically the university saying "we're going to PAY you to come to our school." so, even if the merit scholars, like myself, aren't paying cash for their education, they are reimbursing the school in other ways, by going out into the workforce, doing a good job, and claiming that university as their alma mater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #34 July 1, 2004 I agree. You earned it. A scholarship of that type is most definitely not "welfare." You studied hard, made the grades, and now you're being rewarded for it with funding for more education. Good job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #35 July 1, 2004 QuoteYes - besides taking advantage of welfare - as you would evidently do - is wrong in my book. I would opt for the 3.0 that decided that he could do it on his own and knows how to do for himself. Leave the scolarships for those that can't do for them selves, or the ones that need the extra help. Do you have any clue what the cost of tuition is? Average cost is $17 grand a year. Could you please tell me, how anyone out of high school could possibly go to school full time and pay that tuition "themselves" without "extra help"? Or do you suggest that no one goes to a 4 year school full time ever unless they happened to inherit 70 grand when they graduated high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larsrulz 0 #36 July 1, 2004 Am I the only one that sees that rehmwa didn't say that he would prefer to hire someone who turned down scholarships. He said himself that he took national merit aid and pell grant. I think he was making reference to the people who work jack squat in college and leave with $100K+ in student loans then complain about our higher education system, or those that have every little thing paid by their parents and fail to learn one of the most important lessons of college. I personally think that if someone had their college paid for, then good on them, but it certainly shows a level of discipline when someone pays their way through college and leaves with minimal, if any, debt. There are far too many people who go through life living off their parents or "government provided money", and don't know what to do when they don't have that SL anymore. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #37 July 1, 2004 Quoteso you're saying I should turn down a 40% scholarship to law school just so I can pay for it myself?? sorry, but that's just plain stupid. You and Kallend pulling that position out of the hat is goofy, and purposely obtuse for the sake of argument. I really like that in people and would like to subscribe to your newletter. I think as the resident liberal leaning types, you'd appreciate the preference to the guy who worked for it rather than the guy who's rich parents paid for it. And it satisfies the best of the intents of both sides of the political argument - work is rewarded and the little guy can still win. But those views do change when it feels like it strikes close to home and suddenly people do get defensive. Would you feel the same if it wasn't your 40% scholarship but was Bill Gate's (hypothetical) son's 40% merit scholarship? That's where we see if values are real or just convenient. (For the record, I consider winning a 'merit' scholarship to be something earned, so Kallend missed that by a mile, but he really was just being purposely obtuse - and I do like that about him, confrontation is positive when done right among smart people.) But the term scholarship is repeatedly confused with charity, so it's important to note the difference between a scholarship earn on merit vs some other types of "scholarships" based on income, race, religion, politics, etc. The rest of what you got there is cool, if pretty obvious. Edit: Hey, thanks, Larsrulz, for the comments - I think they get it, but this path of discussion is more fun and stimulating. They're smart people. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larsrulz 0 #38 July 1, 2004 Or just realize the fact that every state in this country has a state university, many of them being some of the best colleges in the country. If you can't afford the $17K a year to go to a private college, then you can go to state college that is half that price. Work 20 hours a week (really isn't that hard if you try) and you can leave college with less than $20K in debt. There is no excuse for someone who goes thousands and thousands into debt, at least not if they are gonna bitch about it. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #39 July 1, 2004 I guess it depends on how bad you want it. That formula shows intelligence (because you need not study as hard) and Motivation (Acomplishing a very difficult goal) and that person is less likely to take the easy way out, work harder and be more goal oriented as well as loyal. Those qualities are what I look for in a new hire. As far as scholarships them selves - perhaps I misrepresented - I was talking more along the lines of "Un Earned Scolarships" the ones that are just given away, and having Mummy and Duddy paying for that plush apartment, and giving the creditcard with the 100000 limit. It's nice - but it doesn't teach a work ethic.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #40 July 1, 2004 my response wasn't to Rehmwa. It was to turtlespeed, who called scholarships welfare and said they should be turned down. and no, I wouldn't have a problem with Bill Gates having a scholarship that was earned. If he made the grades and had the test scores and other requirements, he qualifies as much as anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #41 July 1, 2004 QuoteAverage cost is $17 grand a year. Could you please tell me, how anyone out of high school could possibly go to school full time and pay that tuition "themselves" without "extra help". Work full time and go to school full time or as many hours as you can. Nobody said that if school is tough, that they have to go 'full time'. Don't have the nice stuff and live in squalor for 4 years, that's what I did. Quit skydiving while in school. Eat a lot of beans and rice. state schools are still cheaper College kids think that school is their full time job. That's a joke. It's a self improvement activity and not a sacrifice, it's a great privilege that not everyone gets to do or should get to do. Get a job and go to school - $17K plus living expenses is doable on a very low wage. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #42 July 1, 2004 If you are looking for scholarships, try out www.fastweb.com and setup a profile. If anyone asks you to pay an application fee, it is a scam._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 July 1, 2004 Quotemy response wasn't to Rehmwa. It was to turtlespeed, who called scholarships welfare and said they should be turned down. and no, I wouldn't have a problem with Bill Gates having a scholarship that was earned. If he made the grades and had the test scores and other requirements, he qualifies as much as anyone. Well, that's no fun, now everybody agrees. I taking my ball and going home. and Kris - that avatar is cute too FWIW. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larsrulz 0 #44 July 1, 2004 My bad, I was ignoring turtle, so I assumed the rest of you were too. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #45 July 1, 2004 You can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. My parents offered to help. I didn't let them help much, but they made it clear to me that at that time in my life, I was to consider school my job, and treat it as such, which meant showing up for class, completing all required assignments, including extra credit, and doing everything I possibly could to get the best grades I could. I had a part time job that covered my living expenses. my folks made it clear that if the job was interfering with my studies, that I could quit and they'd give me the extra cash, but it wasn't necessary, and I liked my job. I finished with a 3.8 GPA, and, one semester, if I'd taken all my classes for credit (as a dance minor and film/screenwriting major, I could take technical dance classes and certain film classes for 0 units, if I was maxed out on units) I'd have had 27 units. I got straight As that semester. If that's not work ethic, I don't know what is. 27 units was TEN classes in one semester (eight 3 unit classes, one two unit class, and one one unit class). most university students take four or five classes per semester. Sure, I didn't have much of a life, but I finished school early, and was able to get a jump start on my master's. I worked much harder at college than I've had to in any of my jobs afterwards. I'm not compromising my work ethic any...the jobs just aren't as much work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #46 July 1, 2004 Quote and Kris - that avatar is cute too FWIW. hehe. thanks. Clownburner took that picture and made an avatar out of it for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larsrulz 0 #47 July 1, 2004 QuoteYou can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. I just have to disagree. I have known far too many bums that got that piece of paper with absolutely no work ethic and didn't manage to stay employed long after graduation. Someone with enough intelligence can get through college by never going to class and doing the bare minimum without trying. Mind you, this is in engineering at one of the top 5 colleges in the country, so it isn't SlackU either. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #48 July 1, 2004 My question was serious. I am on our university's merit scholarship committee. I'd hate to think that we were giving OUR money away to exellent students, and in the process spoiling their career chances.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #49 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. I just have to disagree. I have known far too many bums that got that piece of paper with absolutely no work ethic and didn't manage to stay employed long after graduation. Someone with enough intelligence can get through college by never going to class and doing the bare minimum without trying. Mind you, this is in engineering at one of the top 5 colleges in the country, so it isn't SlackU either. My wife got all of her undergraduate college paid for by her Dad. She developed a very strong work ethic despite that it was paid for. She went on to 4 years Medical School, 4 years Residency (which she & I paid for), and is now in private practice. She's the hardest working and determined person I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #50 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. I just have to disagree. I have known far too many bums that got that piece of paper with absolutely no work ethic and didn't manage to stay employed long after graduation. Someone with enough intelligence can get through college by never going to class and doing the bare minimum without trying. Mind you, this is in engineering at one of the top 5 colleges in the country, so it isn't SlackU either. Really? I'd like to report that to the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology. Please name names.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rehmwa 2 #31 July 1, 2004 Sorry, we just downsized. Soon the hiring cycle will start again. It's pretty consistent. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #32 July 1, 2004 Yes. Paid my own way with the G.I. Bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #33 July 1, 2004 so you're saying I should turn down a 40% scholarship to law school just so I can pay for it myself?? sorry, but that's just plain stupid. Many scholarships are provided by the university to attract students the university sees as desirable, who will help build its reputation. They're not welfare. They're EARNED. Merit scholarships are earned through things like high GPA, test scores, such as the LSAT, and other various personal achievements. Its basically the university saying "we're going to PAY you to come to our school." so, even if the merit scholars, like myself, aren't paying cash for their education, they are reimbursing the school in other ways, by going out into the workforce, doing a good job, and claiming that university as their alma mater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #34 July 1, 2004 I agree. You earned it. A scholarship of that type is most definitely not "welfare." You studied hard, made the grades, and now you're being rewarded for it with funding for more education. Good job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #35 July 1, 2004 QuoteYes - besides taking advantage of welfare - as you would evidently do - is wrong in my book. I would opt for the 3.0 that decided that he could do it on his own and knows how to do for himself. Leave the scolarships for those that can't do for them selves, or the ones that need the extra help. Do you have any clue what the cost of tuition is? Average cost is $17 grand a year. Could you please tell me, how anyone out of high school could possibly go to school full time and pay that tuition "themselves" without "extra help"? Or do you suggest that no one goes to a 4 year school full time ever unless they happened to inherit 70 grand when they graduated high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #36 July 1, 2004 Am I the only one that sees that rehmwa didn't say that he would prefer to hire someone who turned down scholarships. He said himself that he took national merit aid and pell grant. I think he was making reference to the people who work jack squat in college and leave with $100K+ in student loans then complain about our higher education system, or those that have every little thing paid by their parents and fail to learn one of the most important lessons of college. I personally think that if someone had their college paid for, then good on them, but it certainly shows a level of discipline when someone pays their way through college and leaves with minimal, if any, debt. There are far too many people who go through life living off their parents or "government provided money", and don't know what to do when they don't have that SL anymore. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #37 July 1, 2004 Quoteso you're saying I should turn down a 40% scholarship to law school just so I can pay for it myself?? sorry, but that's just plain stupid. You and Kallend pulling that position out of the hat is goofy, and purposely obtuse for the sake of argument. I really like that in people and would like to subscribe to your newletter. I think as the resident liberal leaning types, you'd appreciate the preference to the guy who worked for it rather than the guy who's rich parents paid for it. And it satisfies the best of the intents of both sides of the political argument - work is rewarded and the little guy can still win. But those views do change when it feels like it strikes close to home and suddenly people do get defensive. Would you feel the same if it wasn't your 40% scholarship but was Bill Gate's (hypothetical) son's 40% merit scholarship? That's where we see if values are real or just convenient. (For the record, I consider winning a 'merit' scholarship to be something earned, so Kallend missed that by a mile, but he really was just being purposely obtuse - and I do like that about him, confrontation is positive when done right among smart people.) But the term scholarship is repeatedly confused with charity, so it's important to note the difference between a scholarship earn on merit vs some other types of "scholarships" based on income, race, religion, politics, etc. The rest of what you got there is cool, if pretty obvious. Edit: Hey, thanks, Larsrulz, for the comments - I think they get it, but this path of discussion is more fun and stimulating. They're smart people. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #38 July 1, 2004 Or just realize the fact that every state in this country has a state university, many of them being some of the best colleges in the country. If you can't afford the $17K a year to go to a private college, then you can go to state college that is half that price. Work 20 hours a week (really isn't that hard if you try) and you can leave college with less than $20K in debt. There is no excuse for someone who goes thousands and thousands into debt, at least not if they are gonna bitch about it. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #39 July 1, 2004 I guess it depends on how bad you want it. That formula shows intelligence (because you need not study as hard) and Motivation (Acomplishing a very difficult goal) and that person is less likely to take the easy way out, work harder and be more goal oriented as well as loyal. Those qualities are what I look for in a new hire. As far as scholarships them selves - perhaps I misrepresented - I was talking more along the lines of "Un Earned Scolarships" the ones that are just given away, and having Mummy and Duddy paying for that plush apartment, and giving the creditcard with the 100000 limit. It's nice - but it doesn't teach a work ethic.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #40 July 1, 2004 my response wasn't to Rehmwa. It was to turtlespeed, who called scholarships welfare and said they should be turned down. and no, I wouldn't have a problem with Bill Gates having a scholarship that was earned. If he made the grades and had the test scores and other requirements, he qualifies as much as anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #41 July 1, 2004 QuoteAverage cost is $17 grand a year. Could you please tell me, how anyone out of high school could possibly go to school full time and pay that tuition "themselves" without "extra help". Work full time and go to school full time or as many hours as you can. Nobody said that if school is tough, that they have to go 'full time'. Don't have the nice stuff and live in squalor for 4 years, that's what I did. Quit skydiving while in school. Eat a lot of beans and rice. state schools are still cheaper College kids think that school is their full time job. That's a joke. It's a self improvement activity and not a sacrifice, it's a great privilege that not everyone gets to do or should get to do. Get a job and go to school - $17K plus living expenses is doable on a very low wage. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #42 July 1, 2004 If you are looking for scholarships, try out www.fastweb.com and setup a profile. If anyone asks you to pay an application fee, it is a scam._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #43 July 1, 2004 Quotemy response wasn't to Rehmwa. It was to turtlespeed, who called scholarships welfare and said they should be turned down. and no, I wouldn't have a problem with Bill Gates having a scholarship that was earned. If he made the grades and had the test scores and other requirements, he qualifies as much as anyone. Well, that's no fun, now everybody agrees. I taking my ball and going home. and Kris - that avatar is cute too FWIW. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #44 July 1, 2004 My bad, I was ignoring turtle, so I assumed the rest of you were too. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #45 July 1, 2004 You can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. My parents offered to help. I didn't let them help much, but they made it clear to me that at that time in my life, I was to consider school my job, and treat it as such, which meant showing up for class, completing all required assignments, including extra credit, and doing everything I possibly could to get the best grades I could. I had a part time job that covered my living expenses. my folks made it clear that if the job was interfering with my studies, that I could quit and they'd give me the extra cash, but it wasn't necessary, and I liked my job. I finished with a 3.8 GPA, and, one semester, if I'd taken all my classes for credit (as a dance minor and film/screenwriting major, I could take technical dance classes and certain film classes for 0 units, if I was maxed out on units) I'd have had 27 units. I got straight As that semester. If that's not work ethic, I don't know what is. 27 units was TEN classes in one semester (eight 3 unit classes, one two unit class, and one one unit class). most university students take four or five classes per semester. Sure, I didn't have much of a life, but I finished school early, and was able to get a jump start on my master's. I worked much harder at college than I've had to in any of my jobs afterwards. I'm not compromising my work ethic any...the jobs just aren't as much work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #46 July 1, 2004 Quote and Kris - that avatar is cute too FWIW. hehe. thanks. Clownburner took that picture and made an avatar out of it for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larsrulz 0 #47 July 1, 2004 QuoteYou can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. I just have to disagree. I have known far too many bums that got that piece of paper with absolutely no work ethic and didn't manage to stay employed long after graduation. Someone with enough intelligence can get through college by never going to class and doing the bare minimum without trying. Mind you, this is in engineering at one of the top 5 colleges in the country, so it isn't SlackU either. I got a strong urge to fly, but I got no where to fly to. -PF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #48 July 1, 2004 My question was serious. I am on our university's merit scholarship committee. I'd hate to think that we were giving OUR money away to exellent students, and in the process spoiling their career chances.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #49 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. I just have to disagree. I have known far too many bums that got that piece of paper with absolutely no work ethic and didn't manage to stay employed long after graduation. Someone with enough intelligence can get through college by never going to class and doing the bare minimum without trying. Mind you, this is in engineering at one of the top 5 colleges in the country, so it isn't SlackU either. My wife got all of her undergraduate college paid for by her Dad. She developed a very strong work ethic despite that it was paid for. She went on to 4 years Medical School, 4 years Residency (which she & I paid for), and is now in private practice. She's the hardest working and determined person I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #50 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou can't finish college at a decent school without acquiring a work ethic somewhere along the way, no matter who's financing your education. you're still the one who's got to sit down and write the research papers, get them turned in on time, study for exams and such. I just have to disagree. I have known far too many bums that got that piece of paper with absolutely no work ethic and didn't manage to stay employed long after graduation. Someone with enough intelligence can get through college by never going to class and doing the bare minimum without trying. Mind you, this is in engineering at one of the top 5 colleges in the country, so it isn't SlackU either. Really? I'd like to report that to the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology. Please name names.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
