Gun QUestion for the Yanks...

[rushmc 23]

For the most part I agree with your post. I do not agree however with what works in one country will not work in another. While the cultural differences do play a part, the reasons for gun control are the same world wide and I believe that is to strengthen the governments power over the people. As for data from the UN......that organization has absolutely no credibility with me. That is the most corrupt organization and I believe the most dangerous body that exists today. They are all about money and power.

Can you answer one question? What country has the lowest crime rate in the world? You will also find that this country "requires" that every male in the country have a rifle in the house.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,114]

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For the most part I agree with your post. I do not agree however with what works in one country will not work in another. While the cultural differences do play a part, the reasons for gun control are the same world wide and I believe that is to strengthen the governments power over the people. As for data from the UN......that organization has absolutely no credibility with me. That is the most corrupt organization and I believe the most dangerous body that exists today. They are all about money and power.

Can you answer one question? What country has the lowest crime rate in the world? You will also find that this country "requires" that every male in the country have a rifle in the house.

The country to which you refer also has just about the most homogenous population in the world and (depending on which year you look at) the highest per capita income in the world.

How does a rifle at home prevent street crime?

The question remains - can anyone provide a link to a reliable source that shows the UK has a higher per-capita firearms murder rate than the US?

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[kallend 2,114]

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There are many newspaper accounts of how the British government hides some of the data from the people. the attachment is and op/ed I know but it uses and names studies done by others. Let me know what you think. By the way, I think it is a great question to ask for the data!!! More of this thinking and questioning is needed!

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/1/20/115342

That article presents no data in support of your statement. And the source is slightly biased.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

How does a rifle at home prevent street crime?

[markd_nscr986 0]

No.....I would never give them up.....if I had a long term stay someplace where firearms are not welcome,I would leave them in the safe in storage here.A little different situation out west here in Colorado......we still have a lot of indigenous wildlife here that could EAT you......plus we still have occasional run-ins with the 2 legged "predators"

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[rushmc 23]

....and the UN data isn't???? Any report can be slanted to support one's agenda........but I will take just about anything as more credible that what comes from the UN. My main source is the US Buerau of Stistics????? and your main source is?

Any and every report presented should have the data questioned.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[miked10270 0]

Oh no you don't.

This is a blatant attempt to just get to play with the boxes for a while! Then, once the "novelty" has worn off you'd no doubt want to return your boxes in a worn out condition and get new boxes, and so on.

This is not only against the whole spirit of the scheme, it's downright greedy.

Remember... "A box is for life. Not just for Christmas."


Mike.

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Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[ladyskydiver 0]

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Oh no you don't.

This is a blatant attempt to just get to play with the boxes for a while! Then, once the "novelty" has worn off you'd no doubt want to return your boxes in a worn out condition and get new boxes, and so on.

This is not only against the whole spirit of the scheme, it's downright greedy.

Remember... "A box is for life. Not just for Christmas."


Mike.

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Who? Me? You mean, I'd get new boxes to play with?

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Remember... "A box is for life. Not just for Christmas."

Ah...see...you didn't clearly spell that one out prior to the attempted bribery with the boxes.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

[kallend 2,114]

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How does a rifle at home prevent street crime?

Extensive interviews with criminals in prison indicates that they know what states and counties (this is US data) allow gun ownership. They say "I am not stupid" and idicated that they do not want to risk their lives where someone may be carrying (on the street) or are armed in the home.

[kallend 2,114]

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....and the UN data isn't???? Any report can be slanted to support one's agenda........but I will take just about anything as more credible that what comes from the UN. My main source is the US Buerau of Stistics????? and your main source is?

Any and every report presented should have the data questioned.

Agreed - that's why someone (and me too) asked for a SOURCE for the claim that the per capita firearms murder rate is higher in the UK than in the US.

So far no-one has come up with a source for that claim.

I haven't made any claim so I don't need a source.

Much as you dislike the UN, they do a good job of collecting data, and murders are very difficult to hide.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[happythoughts 0]

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That doesn't answer the question, does it? How does a rifle in the home prevent street crime?

It does and it doesn't.

If you have a gun in your home, criminals will wait until you aren't home to steal it. You have a job, theirs is waiting until your leave for yours.

On the flip side, remember the LA riots? The Korean grocers who were on video standing out in front of their stores firing into the air.

The police never showed up, consequently, their stores were burned when they ran out of ammo and left. Lessen learned? Have more ammo and aim lower.

Rural people understand that the police are 45 minutes away. Rural criminals realize that their bodies will never be found by the police.

[rushmc 23]

So far no-one has come up with a source for that claim.

[kallend 2,114]

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So far no-one has come up with a source for that claim.

I have

[kallend 2,114]

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So far no-one has come up with a source for that claim.

I have

I haven't made any claim so I don't need a source.

[kallend 2,114]

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....and the UN data isn't???? Any report can be slanted to support one's agenda........but I will take just about anything as more credible that what comes from the UN. My main source is the US Buerau of Stistics????? and your main source is?

Any and every report presented should have the data questioned.

I tried entering "Buerau of Stistics" in Google. It responded "Your search - Buerau of Stistics - did not match any documents."

Can you provide an ACTUAL link to the data you quote?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[miked10270 0]

Ahh... Got it now.

What you want is not so much "Guns for Boxes", it's more "Guns for tickets for the Box Library".

So. Would you swap your guns for such tickets?

Maybe not a library, maybe something like the mail order DVD rental thing where you order your Box (or boxes ), keep it for as long as you want, then return the box (still in working condition please!), and get more boxes by return post.

So? Does this make the difference for you? Will you swap your guns for boxes?

What about all you other ladies here? Does the "Guns for Boxes", or "Box Tickets" scheme appeal?

What about you guys? Would you swap your guns for a place in a box? Personally I'm trying to work out how to buy a gun in the US so I can surrender it !

Mike.

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Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[ladyskydiver 0]

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Ahh... Got it now.

What you want is not so much "Guns for Boxes", it's more "Guns for tickets for the Box Library".

So. Would you swap your guns for such tickets?

Maybe not a library, maybe something like the mail order DVD rental thing where you order your Box (or boxes ), keep it for as long as you want, then return the box (still in working condition please!), and get more boxes by return post.

So? Does this make the difference for you? Will you swap your guns for boxes?

What about all you other ladies here? Does the "Guns for Boxes", or "Box Tickets" scheme appeal?

What about you guys? Would you swap your guns for a place in a box? Personally I'm trying to work out how to buy a gun in the US so I can surrender it !

Mike.

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Still in working condition? Yesh!! Asking a lot here aren't you? After all, I'm a woman in her prime...hmmm...would needing an extensive rest period be considered still in working condition?

I'd put my gun into safe keeping during play time and when I've decided to withdraw my membership in the "Box Library," I'd go pick it up. Won't give up my gun permanently...but safe keeping/storage while enjoying the "Box Library" could be arranged.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

[MarkM 0]

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The country to which you refer also has just about the most homogenous population in the world and (depending on which year you look at) the highest per capita income in the world.

How does a rifle at home prevent street crime?

The question remains - can anyone provide a link to a reliable source that shows the UK has a higher per-capita firearms murder rate than the US?

It's really hard to compare "rates" from one country to another because there are so many variables involved. Does that country accurately report every incident? Do they count suicides with guns as a gun murder? What about a self defense incident?

But to answer the first post, if I ever moved to a country that didn't allow hand guns, I'd give my Glocks to my brother and keep at my new home any sort of weapon that was allowable. If I could own a shotgun I'd keep one of those. Worst case, I'd probably just get a short bladed katana and brush up on my training with that. The lack of gun ownership would factor into my decision to live there, but so would other issues like the overall crime rate, health care, social programs and so on. They may be worse(in my opinion) than the US on the self defense issue, but better in other areas(our health care system blows).

[Deuce 1]

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How does a rifle in the home prevent street crime?

By me shooting criminals who happen to be in the street in front of my home.

I really don't understand why this subject raises such passion. Why do you guys (meaning: my neighbors) want to take away firearms from me that you are unlikely ever to see.

Vierd.

And screw the statistics. People lie with statistics routinely. 'Member about 10 years ago when all those nice tourists were being carjacked in Florida? Since Florida is a "shall issue" state, the only way to know for sure that somebody was not armed in Florida was to carjack a rental car from an international airport.

But, Dr. Kallend, it's unlikely that anybody will change either of our minds about this, so the continued "look at these numbers!" "No! Look at these!" is silly. We should just put all these arguments in a folder and link to them when the subject comes up.

[miked10270 0]

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Still in working condition? Yesh!! Asking a lot here aren't you? After all, I'm a woman in her prime...hmmm...would needing an extensive rest period be considered still in working condition?

As long as the poor "box" doesn't come back Gynophobic and could be quickly reconditioned to the sort of state you'd expect to receive it in?.

OF course, there'd have to be a charge for any damage such as hickeys or excessive fingernail marks....

In recompense for the permanent loss of gun, we could offer a "fully domesticated" (cook, vacuum, dust, wash, iron etc...) model. These facilities would of course be in addition to the acceptable standards of appearance, hygiene, and of course... Stamina.
Mike.

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Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[mr2mk1g 10]

Sorry for the delay - work commitments took me out of the office.

The issues about cultural differences have been discussed in an earlier thread. I think the main points that were raised were essentially in relation to the fact that in the UK we have never had a widespread gun ownership. What gun ownership we had was almost entirely for sporting or other recreational purposes. We have certainly never had much in the way of gun ownership for the purpose of self defence. This is very much different to the history of the US and some other countries.

It is this difference in history that manifests itself in the national psyche to the extent that the UK as a whole simply does care about carrying guns. If the nation does not carry guns it does not use guns in self-defence. If they are not used in self-defence they cannot be an impact on crime. If they would not be an impact on crime there is no real logic in stating that legalising them would lead to a reduction in crime here.

I say this is different to the US as there is a history of gun ownership for self-defence. Therefore the legality of guns or otherwise does indeed have an impact on crime. If we extended the gun ownership allowed in the UK country this would not directly mean our culture would change overnight to a culture where we carry guns for self defence. Legalising it, in its self does not make it happen; only the culture would make that change happen.

[rushmc 23]

have fun

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvictgen.htm

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ladyskydiver 0]

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As long as the poor "box" doesn't come back Gynophobic and could be quickly reconditioned to the sort of state you'd expect to receive it in?.

OF course, there'd have to be a charge for any damage such as hickeys or excessive fingernail marks....

In recompense for the permanent loss of gun, we could offer a "fully domesticated" (cook, vacuum, dust, wash, iron etc...) model. These facilities would of course be in addition to the acceptable standards of appearance, hygiene, and of course... Stamina.
Mike.

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Quickly reconditioned? Define....is a week of complete and total bed rest considered quickly or what?

Hickeys - gross! Fingernail marks - hmmm...what's considered excessive?

Permanent gun loss - hmmm....and the difference between the boxes for temporary vs permanent would be?

Fully domesticated? Does that include massages? Candle light bubble baths? Hygiene - of course required including joint showers. Stamina is, of course, a highly required item. What would be considered the basic stamina level? And, how would each level of stamina be defined? What if the box could not maintain the level of stamina? What is the required down time for the boxes?

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

[rushmc 23]

Point taken...... Although the (limited) information I have read seems to dispute your assertion that the people of GB never owned guns as a population. (but I can't back that up because I do not remember where I learned that)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,114]

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have fun

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvictgen.htm

Nothing I can find there to support your claim.

Perhaps you will provide a CLICKY to the specific page that has the information that supports your claim. If not, we can assume that you are just blowing smoke.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.