How lucky is this kid?

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Yeah, dude...I know, or at least hope, that you're just waxing philosophically. But you're kind of sounding like NAMBLA.

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Legal? You seem to support the mature idea that it is ok for a 20+ YO having sex with a child who is 14. No matter what the law, it is still bad. Not because the avant guard Euro friends say it is ok no to repress it, it does not mean that it is ok.

Still I think it is very mature to concede that it is ok for a 23 yo to have sex with a 14 yo. That is great...It is heaven.

I actually did not say it was ok, just that I didn't think it would cause much psychological trauma, however, that wasn't even in the post you were replying to. So let me ask you, at what age would it be ok? Do we really know? I'd say it varies from person to person, of course we have to have legal standards but surely there are some 16-17 yr olds ready for sex and some 21 year olds who are not (emotionally speaking). My point is simply that the application of the law has no bearing on a person's psyche in the instance and the assumed psychological trauma should not have any bearing on the law (as we've seen in the views of so many, girls are much more traumatized by something like this than boys). "Assumed" is the key though, maybe this 14 yr old boy did really want it, maybe not, maybe he should undergo counseling after which it would be up to him whether or not to press charges. So, do you really think there's a switch? If so, when does it turn on? When's it ok? Can you even give an answer to that? Then what makes you think legislators are qualified to do so?

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Yeah, dude...I know, or at least hope, that you're just waxing philosophically. But you're kind of sounding like NAMBLA.

Yeah, good cracks there guys, you and Rehmwa really got me good. NAManBoyLA? Yeah, umm, sorry no. Besides I think their views extend a little bit earlier than adolescence. But of course you were the one reminiscing about how easily erections came at 14, so surely you realize that adolescents are inherently sexual. That's my point. And that the law is well, a bit prudish in many cases (it was very recently illegal to get a blowjob from anyone of any age in the state of Georgia). In many countries in Europe, 16 is the age of consent, I think it's more reasonable than 18. Let's remember that rape would still be rape and that's never ok but yeah, I think many 16 year olds are plenty capable of deciding whether or not they want to have sex. Call me a perv if you will, but oh well.

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The logic being a man can force himself on an unwilling woman.... if a man is unwilling however there is the simple practical point that it is (to put it bluntly) quite difficult to achieve penetration with a flaccid member; i.e. if the man don't want sex, sex aint happening.

your kidding right??

you do realize there is a huge difference between physical, emotional and mental responses...

just because you may get me aroused doesnt mean i am really willing to have sex with you..

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Call me a perv if you will, ...

You all heard it, if he allows it, it not a personal attack.

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Call me a perv if you will, ...

You all heard it, if he allows it, it not a personal attack.

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Yeah yeah, hardy har, do keep your 18 year old (and therefore legal in all 50 states (Alabama?)) daughters away from me though.

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So much knowledge you profess, and allow spanglish to be a norm rather than to stick with one language? Is it so hard to find the spelling button on your end?

With ridiculous posts as yours, no wonder someone can think i profess much knowledge
So if i misspell one word out of a long post that makes the norm? dude, you are funny.
By the way: "Hispa nomber guan" a couple of things:
a) Hispa is not a word
b)nomber does not exist (choose number or numero)
c)guan does not exist either (you cannot write a word as it sounds)
Dude, think before you write!!!

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One tends to think that a teenager being seduced and raped at fourteen is plain bad, not only there are laws against it but if that was not sufficient, you said it is heaven for the child. That definitely strikes as very mature on your professional skills.

Dude, the guy was clearly not raped. He had sex with her while his cousin was driving them around. if you like the word rape, add statutory before. Yes, yes, i know that changes the whole post and doesn´t prove your point.
Please, if you want to talk about maturity level, stop copying PeacefullJeffreis post and making them shallower. I am starting to think you are with PF in a short of competition about the most stupid post.

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>You all heard it, if he allows it, it not a personal attack.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that exception. You can attack yourself all you want. For example, I'm definitely an asshole.

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And please, stop talking about rape, it is not funny. Just so you all know i was raped when i was 17...

By my eighteen years old girlfriend, and dude was i in heaven. Still a rape though (although statutory). Juanesky, do you get the diference?

Benny stolped talking about the 23 yo teacher to discuss statury rape in general, but Juanesky, in a specially mature moment, keeps bringing that particular case to prove his point.

Edited for spelling (so everybody can understand the point and not get distracted with the spelling)

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Well, besides the point of personally attacking my posts as ridiculous not only you do not know what Hispa is, and the meaning of my signature line, in the context it is written with.

It is not that hard to use that "check spelling" button before you post. Really easy .

About your maturity as a psychology professional, I doubt that anyone here will consent to having a 14 year old relative have sex with a person almost twice their age and still profess they are "in heaven" as this is borderline with pedophilia and is a rule in any of the DZ.com forum, FYI.

Do you have any hidden agendas here?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Botellines 0]

I do know what Hispa Nomber Guan is, and the context it is written. I also read every once in a while the spanish forum. Dude, if i don´t see as a personal attack that you doubt my professionalism and my maturity level, i don´t think you should take as a personal attack that i say your posts are ridiculous.
I don´t think it is necessary to keep such a correct grammar around these forums. For once, this is not an English lesson, so it doesn´t really matter to prove a point that there is some words misspelled as long as the post is understandable. Besides, some of us write at work, and we have to keep an eye who is around, therefore we cannot pay 100% of attention.
If you read the original post and my answer to peaceful Jeffrey you will realize the context those words were said. I am well aware about the paedophilia rule, and i am certain that is one of the most observed rules here, but the message has not been deleted yet. It seems only you and PeacefullJefrrey have an issue with that. Maybe the issue is yours

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First of all, I think the one that has an issue with pedophilia is the one that professes "the kid is in heaven", but hey it maybe just me and Jeffrey. But I think that coming from a person who is going to become a psychologist really leaves a poor image.

No matter how much you try to masquerade the issue by titling it as avant guard, I believe that enticing, conning a child to have sex with a grown up still is pedophilia..

Personally I would not like you to be around any of my family's kids. And some, unfortunately, are located within your city.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Hot for teacher.

" No jokes about or references to pedophilia. None."

Please ammend to add: "Unless it's a female pedophile"

Michael

Thank you for pointing that out.

Calling this kid "lucky" is foolish.

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First of all, I think the one that has an issue with pedophilia is the one that professes "the kid is in heaven", but hey it maybe just me and Jeffrey. But I think that coming from a person who is going to become a psychologist really leaves a poor image.

No matter how much you try to masquerade the issue by titling it as avant guard, I believe that enticing, conning a child to have sex with a grown up still is pedophilia..

dude, you keep ignoring the context in what those words were said despite the fact that it has been pointed out to you several times by several people. I am starting to believe you are NOT doing it on purpose. That has a name, it is called Asperger syndrome. It is a form of autism where the patient has trouble not taking everything said literally.


"While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context. "

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

I suggest you to either stop bringing personal diferences across threads, or look for profesional help. Asperger syndrome can be treated.

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Personally I would not like you to be around any of my family's kids. And some, unfortunately, are located within your city.

Too bad, i am staying. Next time you come over for a visit, don´t forget to pick them up and take them away.

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Apparently it is ok in this forum to attack anyone who is pro american, yet an Euro pedophile who inisists that it is ok for a grown up to have sex, and precisely claim it as the kid should be "in heaven" with a kid who is 14 despite the laws in most countries in the world make it illegal, and also insists in disregarding the rules of this forum "no jokes of references to pedophilia: NONE" Still brands me as having AS, or whatever his hatemonging pedophiling ways dictate him,is not even looked by the mods in here.

This is just great.

And Botellines, I think you should seek professional help. Maybe you could ask in your class to one of your professors do some pro-bono work on you. IMO, or just start the spanish Nambla with you as president.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Apparently it is ok in this forum to attack anyone who is pro american, yet an Euro pedophile who inisists that it is ok for a grown up to have sex, and precisely claim it as the kid should be "in heaven" with a kid who is 14 despite the laws in most countries in the world make it illegal, and also insists in disregarding the rules of this forum "no jokes of references to pedophilia: NONE" Still brands me as having AS, or whatever his hatemonging pedophiling ways dictate him,is not even looked by the mods in here.

This is just great.

And Botellines, I think you should seek professional help. Maybe you could ask in your class to one of your professors do some pro-bono work on you. IMO, or just start the spanish Nambla with you as president.

I knew this was going to happen! Where do you draw the line? Once you open the sexual deviate box it is impossible to close. First; monogamy is so old fashion, so lets have open sex. Second;hetrosexuality is square, so lets have sex with our fishing buddy. Third; marriage is unfair to pluralists and homosexuals, so lets do away with it. Now; it should be ok to have sex with a kid who is 14, it's so Euro! Gimme a break!! What next?! The new hip trend, sex with animals!? Deviate sexual activivity is just that, deviate. If we let the hornballs have their way; there will be no more rules at all; it it feels good, FUCK it!


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Yep, first he masquerades his real persona, then he questions what my sig line it is (although he later explains he knows what is means) and then attack the person not the idea, without defending the bottom line issue: IT IS NOT OK for a 20+ yo to have any sexual relations with a 14+ regardless any Pro Euro trash thoughts and lessons taught in phsycology class in those countries.

Threat deleted. Do not threaten to shoot people on this board. Read the rules if you are unclear about the restrictions on pedophilia discussions or threats.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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" No jokes about or references to pedophilia. None."

Please ammend to add: "Unless it's a female pedophile"

Michael

Thank you for pointing that out.

Please have a look at the explanatory paragraph under that:

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References to pedophilia can only be made in a factual context or in discussion of certain political and social issues. Outside of those limited contexts Dropzone.com will have a zero-tolerance policy to pedophilia and any reference thereto will be removed without explanation.

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This thread is starting to look out of hand. Can you guys stop attacking each other and try to discuss the issue?

Thanks!

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This thread is starting to look out of hand. Can you guys stop attacking each other and try to discuss the issue?

FOR REAL!

All I have to say is that that kid has MAAAD skills. What a friggin pimpin kid.

If I was him, I would sue for all the trauma and such that I can, he must have gone through a lot of it... after they were found out and he couldn't get any anymore! What a dissapointment on his part!

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Apparently it is ok in this forum to attack anyone who is pro american, yet an Euro pedophile who inisists that it is ok for a grown up to have sex, and precisely claim it as the kid should be "in heaven" with a kid who is 14 despite the laws in most countries in the world make it illegal, and also insists in disregarding the rules of this forum "no jokes of references to pedophilia: NONE" Still brands me as having AS, or whatever his hatemonging pedophiling ways dictate him,is not even looked by the mods in here.

I think every post has been looked upon, especially the one where you call me Euro pedophile (could you point out the diferences beetwen an euro pedophile and any other kind of pedophile?). Dude, that is a personal attack. An certainly i do not care the slightest that you are proamerican. I rebate your posts, not your nacionality or patriotism.

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This is just great.

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And Botellines, I think you should seek professional help. Maybe you could ask in your class to one of your professors do some pro-bono work on you. IMO, or just start the spanish Nambla with you as president.

i showed your posts to one of my teachers, he is still laughing.

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Yep, first he masquerades his real persona,

Did I? Would you mind to ellaborate?

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then he questions what my sig line it is (although he later explains he knows what is means)

I do know what it means, but if we are going to be absurdly picky on the grammar, your sig line is incorrectly written, even if you did it on purpose.

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and then attack the person not the idea

I only attacked the post where you attack my person. Big difference.

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without defending the bottom line issue: IT IS NOT OK for a 20+ yo to have any sexual relations with a 14+ regardless any Pro Euro trash thoughts and lessons taught in phsycology class in those countries.

I think i have discuss the issue enough. I am having the extrange feeling that you are answering my posts without reading them

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Threat deleted. Do not threaten to shoot people on this board. Read the rules if you are unclear about the restrictions on pedophilia discussions or threats.

I am not going to say anything about this because i didn´t have the chance to read it before it was deleted. It only reinforces the idea that it is necesary a more thorough background check before giving a gun license. Specially psychological check.

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This thread is starting to look out of hand. Can you guys stop attacking each other and try to discuss the issue?

Thanks!

I think you are right. I am going to explain my position again very clearly so not even Juansky will be able to turn around my words.
There is several aspects of this issue.
LEGALLY: Not much to discuss, under the law it is wrong. If you dont like the law move to north pole where you will have more freedom.
MORALLY: Is it Morally right or wrong? Under what moral? Under the bible a while ago was normal to marry old guys with 13 years old girls. Islam even let you have two (as long as you treat them properly). Your values may not be the same than mine, that is why we have laws. So Morally it comes down to yourself to decide whether it is right or wrong. You still has to obey the law, though.
Personally, AS I STATED BEFORE, is wrong. Even if it is only because i wouldn´t do it. You may say it is alright, and i will be happy enough as long as you obey the law. As a side note, my personal rules is that i am not engaging in any sexual activity with a girl whose age don´t follow this equation (my age/2)+7 (i am 28, so 28/2+7, i wouldn´t be sleeping with anyone whose age is not at least 21.) i know it sounds silly, but it gives sensible numbers for any age
Please, do note that all this it is consistent with what i have stated before.
There is something that we must be aware though. Has any harm being done to the teenager(he was not a child)? I don´t think so. He was not physically raped, and although some people could say that he was to young to consent and that he didn´t understand what was going on (BS IMO) at some point they had sex in front of his cousin who was AT LEAST 16 (he was driving), so everybody knew what was going on. That is why i allowed myself to joke about the subject after 7 or 8 guys had done it before. Juanesky must be in love with me to notice only me among everybody who posted a funny remark. Had any harm being done to anyone even if he or she was over the age of consent (ie. Rape) i wouldn´t have written any joke at all, of that you can be sure.

Please Juanesky, if you want to reply to this post, do read it thoroughly first and don´t include any threat or personal attack. Thank you.

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Any psichologist agrees with me?

Anyway, do you really think he is lucky? Honestly, he has tasted delights forbidden to many of us, he has reached heaven at 14. All his female classmates will look ugly now in comparison. he will eventually realize that what happened happens only once in a lifetime.

Words of a pedophile in my book.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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A U.S. Department of Justice report on child sexual exploitation states, “Most preferential sex offenders spend their entire lives attempting to convince themselves and others that they are not perverts and that they love and nurture children.” The tragic fact is that children who are being preyed upon “have been carefully seduced and often do not realize they are victims. They repeatedly and voluntarily return to the offender.” The truth often does not become apparent to them until after they have been abandoned: “Then they see that all the attention, affection, and gifts were just part of a master plan to use and exploit them.”

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Any psichologist agrees with me?

Anyway, do you really think he is lucky? Honestly, he has tasted delights forbidden to many of us, he has reached heaven at 14. All his female classmates will look ugly now in comparison. he will eventually realize that what happened happens only once in a lifetime.

Words of a pedophile in my book.

It's actually a construct of modern, mainly North American protestant culture, to say that marriage and sex or just sex for that matter, with a 14 year old is pedophilia. It's been done throughout history, From ancient Greece, and Rome straight on to modern times (its still legal to marry 14 yr olds w/parenal consent in some states). It may not be your taste, but even the law in most states does not regard sex with someone 14 years of age to be pedophilia, but statutory rape (there is a difference). The thing is man, you should just chill out... I realize you probably have daughters or nieces around that age or something and worry about our European amigo getting ahold of one of them, but please it's much more likely she'll be busy losing it to the pimply faced 16 year old down the block.

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