freeflydrew 0 #1 June 29, 2004 From CNN This isn't about Right or Left or Republican or Democratic... It's all about the word INVOLUNTARY. QuoteArmy to recall former military members WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Army is preparing to notify about 5,600 retired and discharged soldiers who are not members of the National Guard or Reserve that they will be involuntarily recalled to active duty for possible service in Iraq or Afghanistan, Army officials said Tuesday. It marks the first time the Army has called on the Individual Ready Reserve, as this category of reservists is known, in substantial numbers since the 1991 Gulf War. The move reflects the continued shortage of troops available to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to fight the ongoing war on terrorism as well as Operation Iraqi Freedom. Lt. Gen. Frank Hagenbeck, the Army's deputy chief of staff for personnel, said earlier this month of the Army's troop strength, "We are stretched but we have what we need." Pentagon officials have echoed that statement explaining that while the military is reaching deep into its resources, war planners have long had contingency plans such as this for when troops are really needed. Several hundred members of the ready reserve have volunteered for active-duty service since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Those who are part of the involuntary call up are likely to be assigned to National Guard or Reserve units that have been mobilized for duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, according to Army officials. An announcement is planned for Wednesday. Members of Congress were being notified of the decision Tuesday, the officials said. Unlike members of the National Guard and Reserve, the individual reservists do not perform regularly scheduled training. Any former enlisted soldier who did not serve at least eight years on active duty is in the Individual Ready Reserve pool, as are all officers who have not resigned their commission. The Army has been reviewing its list of 118,000 eligible individual reservists for several weeks in search of qualified people in certain high-priority skill areas like civil affairs. Guess they'll announce this on wednesday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 June 29, 2004 Just one step closer to the draft. We talked about this earlier this month. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1100169quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #3 June 29, 2004 QuoteJust one step closer to the draft. We talked about this earlier this month. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1100169 That's OK. I won't be bothering to attend anyway if they do reinstate it. I suggest everybody else does likewise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #4 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteJust one step closer to the draft. We talked about this earlier this month. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1100169 That's OK. I won't be bothering to attend anyway if they do reinstate it. I suggest everybody else does likewise. I thought it was called "Inactive Reserves" And I would gladly serve my country if they called upon me.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #5 June 29, 2004 They won't reinstate the draft... but putting the almost the draft arguement aside, this is actually a really big deal. They're not talking about it, they are literally doing it. See, they're already not letting people, who's time in Iraq should have ended, come home, they're now insisting that people who have served their time in the military, go back. It's pretty fucked up, and if I had ever enlisted in the military and served my time (sounds a lot like prison) I would be pretty freakin pissed off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #6 June 29, 2004 Quote I thought it was called "Inactive Reserves" And I would gladly serve my country if they called upon me. "Individual Ready Reserve, as this category of reservists is known" I believe we're already through all our reservists... Maybe you should find one of the 5,600 people they are involuntary recalling and see if you can switch with them... (joke) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #7 June 29, 2004 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1082811#1082811 Not news. You sign up for 8..you do 8."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #8 June 29, 2004 True, Ron, very true and those of us who retired from the military also know that we can be taken out of the Retired Reserves for additional service...........all "old" news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #9 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust one step closer to the draft. We talked about this earlier this month. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1100169 That's OK. I won't be bothering to attend anyway if they do reinstate it. I suggest everybody else does likewise. I thought it was called "Inactive Reserves" And I would gladly serve my country if they called upon me. Good for you. The administration needs all the cannon fodder it can get apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 June 29, 2004 QuoteI thought it was called "Inactive Reserves" And I would gladly serve my country if they called upon me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good for you. The administration needs all the cannon fodder it can get apparently. Its about putting the needs of the country over yourself...deleted. Attack the idea, not the person."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #11 June 29, 2004 I was in the IRR and called up for Desert Storm. It was a little different leaving behind a family that time, but after I got down to Fort Sam Houston, I accepted my fate. Initially, myself and several others were processed and told we were going to go. We never went, and most of us aviators were actually pissed. If you are in the IRR you can get called up and you know it.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #12 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust one step closer to the draft. We talked about this earlier this month. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1100169 That's OK. I won't be bothering to attend anyway if they do reinstate it. I suggest everybody else does likewise.I thought it was called "Inactive Reserves" And I would gladly serve my country if they called upon me.Quote There are lots of people that would be glad to serve their country, myself included. Problem is, right now this is not the case. Most people will not serve if they are drafted because of the fact that this war involves politicians personal agendas and not a valid threat to this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #13 June 29, 2004 QuoteThere are lots of people that would be glad to serve their country, myself included. Problem is, right now this is not the case. Most people will not serve if they are drafted because of the fact that this war involves politicians personal agendas and not a valid threat to this country. Oh so if you don't agree with what the coutry asks of you its OK to dodge the draft and run? But its OK to enjoy the rights the country gives you all the time and bitch about it when you don';t get your way...But when you are asked to do something for your country...well then the game is off. Let me guess you are a Democrat and liked Clinton right?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #14 June 29, 2004 QuoteBut its OK to enjoy the rights the country gives you all the time and bitch about it when you don';t get your way...But when you are asked to do something for your country...well then the game is off. I want the country to give me a mansion. What? That's unreasonable and doesn't serve the public good? Ok then. Same thing goes for asking people to fight in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #15 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere are lots of people that would be glad to serve their country, myself included. Problem is, right now this is not the case. Most people will not serve if they are drafted because of the fact that this war involves politicians personal agendas and not a valid threat to this country. Oh so if you don't agree with what the coutry asks of you its OK to dodge the draft and run? But its OK to enjoy the rights the country gives you all the time and bitch about it when you don';t get your way...But when you are asked to do something for your country...well then the game is off. Let me guess you are a Democrat and liked Clinton right? Oh boy. I knew there would be a response like this. I know that you are the hothead type but I need you to sit down, relax for one second, and think about the current situation in our country. If you want to believe all of the bullshit that the Bush administration feeds you, then go right ahead but dont be pissed when someone actually questions what these people say. Can't you see that it comes to a point where it is not about getting your way or being a democrat/republican and more about not putting up with a so-called leader who does whatever he wants, including going to war for NO REASON? Do you really want to go fight and kill people for someone like Bush? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbarry 0 #16 June 29, 2004 Quote...if I had ever enlisted in the military and served my time (sounds a lot like prison) I would be pretty freakin pissed off. Until your reserve and IRR time is up, the service you volunteered for is not done. If you're in the IRR, you have not yet "served your time". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #17 June 29, 2004 QuoteI knew there would be a response like this. I know that you are the hothead type but I need you to sit down, relax for one second, and think about the current situation in our country Ya know what pisses me off? Hypocrisy, and you stink of it. I want this and that but as soon as I have to DO anything to EARN it, I'm off to Canada. I DEMAND the rights that have been earned by the blood of my fore fathers, but I am NOT going to risk spilling mine. I have the right to BITCH about anything I don't like, but no RESPONSABILITY to to this country. I love the USA...As long as its the US of my wAy . You are just like the cry babies that have been weekend warriors for umteen years that have been called up...NOW they cry about having to actually be in the Armed Forces...They were not complaining when they were cashing the reserve checks, going to school on the government dime...But as soon as they are going to get deployed, now its unfair? Thats BS. You don't want to defend the country? Fine move to Canada...But do me a favor and STAY there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DShiznit 0 #18 June 29, 2004 ditto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #19 June 29, 2004 QuoteI want the country to give me a mansion. What? That's unreasonable and doesn't serve the public good? Ok then. Same thing goes for asking people to fight in Iraq. I guess you support all the draft dodgers from all wars? I guess you have never served... Guess what? No one wants to fight. But some DO since they have HONOR...Its not my fault you have none"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #20 June 29, 2004 QuoteI guess you support all the draft dodgers from all wars? Nope. QuoteI guess you have never served... I enlisted but didn't pass the physical because of asthma. QuoteGuess what? No one wants to fight. But some DO since they have HONOR...Its not my fault you have none And some people have integrity and believe in taken a stand for what they believe in, not blindly following the leader. It's not my fault you're a lemming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #21 June 29, 2004 Can you stop with the rant for one second? QuoteI DEMAND the rights that have been earned by the blood of my fore fathers, but I am NOT going to risk spilling mine. I can see that you are really pissed but just answer me one question, do you really think that there is a justification for sending US citizens to war in Iraq? And please dont give me the "I dont question it, i just do it" line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #22 June 29, 2004 QuoteAnd some people have integrity and believe in taken a stand for what they believe in, not blindly following the leader. It's not my fault you're a lemming. I'm not a lemming, I just have a sense of DUTY, HONOR and INTEGRITY...Something you would never understand. If people like you founded this country we would still be English. QuoteI enlisted but didn't pass the physical because of asthma. Shame, maybe then you would understand giving of yourself for the good of the COUNTRY. But I guess you would rather bash those that do."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #23 June 29, 2004 QuoteBut I guess you would rather bash those that do. That's pretty damn low, Ron. I've never once bashed anyone that serves in the military. My father served, my brother served, I tried to serve. Many of my friends have served. I wasn't bashing anyone as a matter of fact. I was protesting your bashing of people who take a moral stand against a corrupt government. By the way, THAT IS what the founding of this country was all about. That idea was lost somewhere. If people like you founded this country, you would have answered the call to arms from King George to defend the empire. In case you missed that part of history class, the founders of this country were traitors who defied their government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #24 June 29, 2004 QuoteI can see that you are really pissed but just answer me one question, do you really think that there is a justification for sending US citizens to war in Iraq? Yes. I think SH was a jackass that supported terroism. Maybe not behind 9/11, but he supported terroists and openly hated the US and wished us harm.... SH was a bad man that killed his own people. His sons killed for sport. SH helped propel political instability in the middle east. I don't need a better reason to kill someone than them saying they are going to kill me as soon as they get the chance. SH didn't comply with the UN reslolutions.... How many do you need? We should have rolled over him in Gulf War 1. Now can you even fathom the idea of giving of yourself for the good of the COUNTRY? Can you understand that NO WAR is popular and NO ONE wants to die for his country?...But thank God some men are still willing to defend the country.. So that people like you can sit and bitch about it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,560 #25 June 29, 2004 Ron, people serve their country in many ways. The willingness to question the government is what led to the American Revolution in the first place; there was a government in place then. It's offensive to people to tell them that they have no sense of honor, duty, or integrity because they either don't agree with the current administration, or are unwilling or unable(!) to join the military to support something they don't support. I'd assume you'd apply that same label to me; I've never served, and I think that war should be the absolute last resort in resolving problems, and I don't think it was used as the absolute last resort in Iraq. It's not a tool to administer a lesson for not following some of the rules. Its purpose is to kill a lot of people, many of them innocent. That is not noble. It might be necessary, but it's not noble. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Ron 10 #13 June 29, 2004 QuoteThere are lots of people that would be glad to serve their country, myself included. Problem is, right now this is not the case. Most people will not serve if they are drafted because of the fact that this war involves politicians personal agendas and not a valid threat to this country. Oh so if you don't agree with what the coutry asks of you its OK to dodge the draft and run? But its OK to enjoy the rights the country gives you all the time and bitch about it when you don';t get your way...But when you are asked to do something for your country...well then the game is off. Let me guess you are a Democrat and liked Clinton right?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 June 29, 2004 QuoteBut its OK to enjoy the rights the country gives you all the time and bitch about it when you don';t get your way...But when you are asked to do something for your country...well then the game is off. I want the country to give me a mansion. What? That's unreasonable and doesn't serve the public good? Ok then. Same thing goes for asking people to fight in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #15 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere are lots of people that would be glad to serve their country, myself included. Problem is, right now this is not the case. Most people will not serve if they are drafted because of the fact that this war involves politicians personal agendas and not a valid threat to this country. Oh so if you don't agree with what the coutry asks of you its OK to dodge the draft and run? But its OK to enjoy the rights the country gives you all the time and bitch about it when you don';t get your way...But when you are asked to do something for your country...well then the game is off. Let me guess you are a Democrat and liked Clinton right? Oh boy. I knew there would be a response like this. I know that you are the hothead type but I need you to sit down, relax for one second, and think about the current situation in our country. If you want to believe all of the bullshit that the Bush administration feeds you, then go right ahead but dont be pissed when someone actually questions what these people say. Can't you see that it comes to a point where it is not about getting your way or being a democrat/republican and more about not putting up with a so-called leader who does whatever he wants, including going to war for NO REASON? Do you really want to go fight and kill people for someone like Bush? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #16 June 29, 2004 Quote...if I had ever enlisted in the military and served my time (sounds a lot like prison) I would be pretty freakin pissed off. Until your reserve and IRR time is up, the service you volunteered for is not done. If you're in the IRR, you have not yet "served your time". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #17 June 29, 2004 QuoteI knew there would be a response like this. I know that you are the hothead type but I need you to sit down, relax for one second, and think about the current situation in our country Ya know what pisses me off? Hypocrisy, and you stink of it. I want this and that but as soon as I have to DO anything to EARN it, I'm off to Canada. I DEMAND the rights that have been earned by the blood of my fore fathers, but I am NOT going to risk spilling mine. I have the right to BITCH about anything I don't like, but no RESPONSABILITY to to this country. I love the USA...As long as its the US of my wAy . You are just like the cry babies that have been weekend warriors for umteen years that have been called up...NOW they cry about having to actually be in the Armed Forces...They were not complaining when they were cashing the reserve checks, going to school on the government dime...But as soon as they are going to get deployed, now its unfair? Thats BS. You don't want to defend the country? Fine move to Canada...But do me a favor and STAY there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 June 29, 2004 QuoteI want the country to give me a mansion. What? That's unreasonable and doesn't serve the public good? Ok then. Same thing goes for asking people to fight in Iraq. I guess you support all the draft dodgers from all wars? I guess you have never served... Guess what? No one wants to fight. But some DO since they have HONOR...Its not my fault you have none"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 June 29, 2004 QuoteI guess you support all the draft dodgers from all wars? Nope. QuoteI guess you have never served... I enlisted but didn't pass the physical because of asthma. QuoteGuess what? No one wants to fight. But some DO since they have HONOR...Its not my fault you have none And some people have integrity and believe in taken a stand for what they believe in, not blindly following the leader. It's not my fault you're a lemming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #21 June 29, 2004 Can you stop with the rant for one second? QuoteI DEMAND the rights that have been earned by the blood of my fore fathers, but I am NOT going to risk spilling mine. I can see that you are really pissed but just answer me one question, do you really think that there is a justification for sending US citizens to war in Iraq? And please dont give me the "I dont question it, i just do it" line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #22 June 29, 2004 QuoteAnd some people have integrity and believe in taken a stand for what they believe in, not blindly following the leader. It's not my fault you're a lemming. I'm not a lemming, I just have a sense of DUTY, HONOR and INTEGRITY...Something you would never understand. If people like you founded this country we would still be English. QuoteI enlisted but didn't pass the physical because of asthma. Shame, maybe then you would understand giving of yourself for the good of the COUNTRY. But I guess you would rather bash those that do."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 June 29, 2004 QuoteBut I guess you would rather bash those that do. That's pretty damn low, Ron. I've never once bashed anyone that serves in the military. My father served, my brother served, I tried to serve. Many of my friends have served. I wasn't bashing anyone as a matter of fact. I was protesting your bashing of people who take a moral stand against a corrupt government. By the way, THAT IS what the founding of this country was all about. That idea was lost somewhere. If people like you founded this country, you would have answered the call to arms from King George to defend the empire. In case you missed that part of history class, the founders of this country were traitors who defied their government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #24 June 29, 2004 QuoteI can see that you are really pissed but just answer me one question, do you really think that there is a justification for sending US citizens to war in Iraq? Yes. I think SH was a jackass that supported terroism. Maybe not behind 9/11, but he supported terroists and openly hated the US and wished us harm.... SH was a bad man that killed his own people. His sons killed for sport. SH helped propel political instability in the middle east. I don't need a better reason to kill someone than them saying they are going to kill me as soon as they get the chance. SH didn't comply with the UN reslolutions.... How many do you need? We should have rolled over him in Gulf War 1. Now can you even fathom the idea of giving of yourself for the good of the COUNTRY? Can you understand that NO WAR is popular and NO ONE wants to die for his country?...But thank God some men are still willing to defend the country.. So that people like you can sit and bitch about it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,560 #25 June 29, 2004 Ron, people serve their country in many ways. The willingness to question the government is what led to the American Revolution in the first place; there was a government in place then. It's offensive to people to tell them that they have no sense of honor, duty, or integrity because they either don't agree with the current administration, or are unwilling or unable(!) to join the military to support something they don't support. I'd assume you'd apply that same label to me; I've never served, and I think that war should be the absolute last resort in resolving problems, and I don't think it was used as the absolute last resort in Iraq. It's not a tool to administer a lesson for not following some of the rules. Its purpose is to kill a lot of people, many of them innocent. That is not noble. It might be necessary, but it's not noble. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
