Deuce 1 #76 June 30, 2004 Please tell me that there's some chance that the British Military will re enact your Officership in the Cessna-flying Cold Warrior lookout duty you once held? Perhaps you could pilot a surveillance aircraft while being orally serviced or something? The Marines won't let me back, but I'd go. Unemployed and all.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #77 June 30, 2004 QuoteAny former enlisted soldier who did not serve at least eight years on active duty is in the Individual Ready Reserve pool, as are all officers who have not resigned their commission. I did a quick search, didn't see the phrase mentioned, and don't have time to read the whole thread... But my understanding as I was in the army was after 3 years of active duty, then 5 years of IRR, I am no longer eligible for involuntary recall. According to my DD214 and all of the crap I have from the service, my IRR ended 09 Nov 2002. The way this thing reads it looks like I would still be 'available' since I didn't serve 8 years active duty. Hmmmm.... Confusing. For those 8 years? Yes I was ready and willing. With 2 disabled children? Yeah sure you betcha, (<--note sarcasm) and leave them with no one that can care for them? I can't make the sacrifice... And for those of you just dying to jump on that and point a finger...my husband is still in the reserves and DOES drill and IS available to fight for our country so please don't even start with me about it...I know there isn't a single person out there that could step in to raise my kids should they call BOTH of us back into the service. 2002 is the date on my DD214. 2002 my committment to take up arms before taking my children in my arms ended.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #78 June 30, 2004 The bullshit is flying but it is not coming from the Bush Administration. The satisfying thing is, if you look back, everything people who believe as you do said and wrote the same things about being in Germany. You have nothing new here. History judged those people wrong back then and will do the same to you and yours years from now."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #79 June 30, 2004 QuoteIf your nation calls you answer the call. Growing up in Holland, I have heard many a German say that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #80 June 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd I agree that if you enlisted, and you still have an obligation, that you are honor bound to go. All of my previous comments were in regard to an involuntary draft. Which this thread is NOT about. Might want to check the thread. My first post in it was a response to your comments about the draft. Not about recall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #81 June 30, 2004 QuoteGrowing up in Holland, I have heard many a German say that as well. And that changes nothing just cause it was Germany. You live in a society and they enjoy all the benefits you should be willing to fight and protect it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #82 June 30, 2004 QuoteMight want to check the thread. My first post in it was a response to your comments about the draft. Not about recall. You are willing to live in the US and enjoy the benifits of living here, but you act like a coward if the country askes you to do your DUTY to it? You are a typical Democrat...give me, give me, give me, and I don't want to EARN anything. I'm sorry your Asthma kept you from service...If true, you would have learned a lot."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #83 June 30, 2004 You have no frickin' clue what I have earned or what's been given to me. And as far as duty goes, I have a duty to oppose unjust policies of the government. Personally, I wouldn't leave the country if drafted for an unjust, unnecessary war. I would refuse to go and accept the consequences. And if a just and necessary war came along, I'd volunteer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #84 June 30, 2004 Quote Oh so if you don't agree with what the coutry asks of you its OK to dodge the draft and run? Yes. In fact it's your duty to resist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #85 June 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteI knew there would be a response like this. I know that you are the hothead type but I need you to sit down, relax for one second, and think about the current situation in our country Ya know what pisses me off? Hypocrisy, and you stink of it. Ahh the irony of that statement. You seem to want to extol the virtues of a free democracy, but object to anyone that disagrees with you, and demand that they leave it. Nobody's forcing you to stay here and wrap yourself in the flag you know. This country was founded on politcal dissent, and it remains one of it's greatest traditions. If you want to restrict dissent to those that only agree with you, you've strayed a lot further from the founding principles of this country than any of your liberal bogeymen. Your immediate descent into personal attacks and ad-hominen nonsense is probably formed by your frustration in being unable to equate your principles with the fact that slightly over half of the population is aligned against your beliefs. That however, is natural in any healthy democracy. I seem to remember you as calmer in the days when I used to jump with you in Z Hills. You should try to regain some of that equilibrium. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #86 June 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteThat's OK. I won't be bothering to attend anyway if they do reinstate it. I suggest everybody else does likewise. Well we all know you wouldn't have to due to your being a native of the quick witted dry humor, but do you really think people should breadk their promisis, and go back on their word, just because they feel like it? Actually, I could have been drafted as a resident alien, but I am now, and have been for some time, a US citizen. It may be because I come from a climate where civil dissent is more recognized as a form of politcal discourse, but I regard it as every citizen's duty to closely watch the actions of their government. If they ask me me to do something rephrensible or illegal, it's my duty to refuse to do that, no matter what consequences may befall. Abu Ghraib os a good example of this. The soldiers there agreed to serve, but they should have refused orders that instructed them to abuse detainees. This isn't just any conflict. The populace was lied to in order for the US to invade a sovereign nation, and we still haven't been told why we went there. Like I said, I'll sight up for this one, right after the Bush twins do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #87 June 30, 2004 QuotePlease tell me that there's some chance that the British Military will re enact your Officership in the Cessna-flying Cold Warrior lookout duty you once held? Perhaps you could pilot a surveillance aircraft while being orally serviced or something? The Marines won't let me back, but I'd go. Unemployed and all.... Well, it is true that flying and blowjobs are two of my favorite things. However, we have different rules for recall of servicemen in the UK. I won't be getting called up anytime soon, as I'm far too old for active flying now. Mind you, I could still do the whisky drinking and watching soccer in a nice warm quonset hut, whilst thinking of menial taks for the enlisted chaps that consumed most of our time before. And don't lie to me porky. The Marines would only have you back if they ran out of inflatable landing craft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkc1436 3 #88 June 30, 2004 just one question..... who the **** are you or anyone for that fact to impose your belief's or way's on anybody... thats freedom wake up before its gone... This is only your second post here, so consider this a warning - attack the poster's ideas all you want, but do not engage in personal attacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #89 June 30, 2004 QuotePersonally, I wouldn't leave the country if drafted for an unjust, unnecessary war. I would refuse to go and accept the consequences. And if a just and necessary war came along, I'd volunteer. Again you only support the country IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT. Again thats not Honor, and thats no sense of duty. I agree you have the right to oppose and vote and voice your concern...but when it comes down to brass tacks you can either do your DUTY or run to Canada... I'm glad you live so close to Canada, I have no doubt you have a route already picked out. Typical Democrat...I want, I want, I want, but I'm not willing to anything for it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
