Zennie 0 #1 June 29, 2004 The United States' Declaration of Independence. Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 June 29, 2004 Honestly, what's to ponder? Where we went wrong and stopped believing in them? (it was around the time of Wilson, and finished by FDR)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 June 29, 2004 Actually, it was more like Alexander Hamilton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #4 June 29, 2004 Good reading both. I HIGHLY recommend Franklin's recent biography - THE FIRST AMERICAN - to anyone interested in that period of history. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #5 June 29, 2004 QuoteI HIGHLY recommend Franklin's recent biography - THE FIRST AMERICAN Ben Franklin was a dirty old man. I'll have to get it, thanks! I'm also looking for a good Teddy Roosevelt bio. I'm a huge Paine fan. If we want to tackle religion next, we should all discuss The Age of Reason. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #6 June 29, 2004 Yet these writers had no issue with slavery or highly restricting the rights of females.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 June 29, 2004 QuoteYet these writers had no issue with slavery or highly restricting the rights of females. Actually, many of them did. However, pragmatically they couldn't push the issue at the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #8 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteYet these writers had no issue with slavery or highly restricting the rights of females. Actually, many of them did. However, pragmatically they couldn't push the issue at the time. Pragmatically, Jefferson was screwing his slaves. If he had an issue with slavery, he could have set a better example than that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #9 June 29, 2004 QuoteYet these writers had no issue with slavery or highly restricting the rights of females. Actually, Paine was quite vocal (and controversial) in his opposition to slavery. Not sure about his position on women's rights though. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #10 June 29, 2004 Here's an essay by Thomas Paine on the subject of slavery. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #11 June 29, 2004 And another on the subject of women's rights. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
