billvon 3,114 #26 June 30, 2004 >Large parts of his job include visiting other nations and heads of >state, and doing diplomatic work. They by definition must be done > outside the White House. I agree. And had be been doing those things I would have no problem with them. But we're talking about being on vacation, at his ranch or a camp, not on diplomatic trips. No one disputes that a visit to the UK is really work. We're not talking about those trips; please do keep up. >And why do you think Air Force One is equipped like a traveling > White House, and has all kinds of communications equipment? It's > specifically so that he can accomplish work while not at the White > House. Again, he doesn't take his vacations in Air Force One. He simply gets where he's going via Air Force One. I have a van with a satellite phone, XM radio, and a cellular modem. I can do all sorts of things with it, including checking email, surfing the web, getting on Qualcomm's intranet etc. Still, if I spent nearly half my time away from work at boogies (or perhaps I will call that "meeting with important people") I'd get fired. Most people would. >I guess you're used to a president who considered it his duty to fill > the mouths of interns. For that, yes, he mostly was found in the > Oval Office. Aaaaaand - we have the obligatory homage to Clinton's penis! Congratulations on fulfilling your right-wing obligations. Another ninety nine of those and I'm sure they'll send you a "I hate Dims" T-shirt autographed by Karl Rove himself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #27 June 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteIs that like the bad intel you had on Niger uranium? Or are you now willing to admit you lied to everyone on this site? I'm confused. Did someone find and publish proof that Nigeria was trying to sell Yellow Cake to Iraq? No proof. A story in Financial Times that casts some doubt on the claim Iraq wasn't trying to buy yellow cake uranium from Niger. May or may not be true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #28 June 30, 2004 QuoteStill, if I spent nearly half my time away from work at boogies (or perhaps I will call that "meeting with important people") I'd get fired. I spend the majority of my time away from my desk and that is considered working. Sitting in the office is considered goofing off. No, I am not a traffic cop. Different jobs have different standards. Engineer vs President, not worth comparing Bill. They are not the same or even similiar. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #29 June 30, 2004 >Different jobs have different standards. Agreed. A traveling salesman needs to travel. A leader, with people who report to him and interact with him, needs to meet with them and interact with them. That's why we have a central seat of government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 June 30, 2004 Got URL? 'Cause, some folks were talking like this was some sort of proof.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #31 June 30, 2004 QuoteIt really awes me that so many people are willing to believe this idiot. Is it just me, or are other people reminded of the fat Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons every time they see this moronic, pathetic loser? He deserves to be taken as seriously as Comic Book Guy, too. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #32 June 30, 2004 Quote>I guess you're used to a president who considered it his duty to fill > the mouths of interns. For that, yes, he mostly was found in the > Oval Office. Aaaaaand - we have the obligatory homage to Clinton's penis! Congratulations on fulfilling your right-wing obligations. Another ninety nine of those and I'm sure they'll send you a "I hate Dims" T-shirt autographed by Karl Rove himself. Shit! I knew I should have started logging those comments! As far as me being "right wing" -- HAH! Just because I hate Kerry and won't give up my guns does not mean I am "right wing." - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #33 June 30, 2004 one constatation is that despite the good will of some people, this kind of thread is permanently being hijacked. another thing is that only 1 person did not like the film, the others with negative opinions did not see it.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #34 June 30, 2004 Quoteone constatation is that despite the good will of some people, this kind of thread is permanently being hijacked. another thing is that only 1 person did not like the film, the others with negative opinions did not see it. I haven't seen it precisely because I know I would loathe it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #35 June 30, 2004 QuoteLarge parts of his job include visiting other nations and heads of state, and doing diplomatic work. Please, don't encourage that. I'd rather he stayed on vacation. Last thing we need is more of this administration's diplomacy. They took the good will and solidarity of the world and turned it completely around in less time than it takes me to toast a pop tart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #36 June 30, 2004 Have you even seen the movie? Do your realize the the parts that attack the Bush Administration don't even come from Moore's mouth? He stays silent in al of these parts and lets others make his point, and it is some of the most powerful moments I have seen on film in a very, very long time. The parts of the movie that damage GW and his crew are from those trying to make money from it (don't worry what this will cost you - the money and oil is there and the gov't will pay whatever it takes), Bush's own quotes (You are the elite, but I consider you my base.) To a mother in Iraq crying/asking God to revenger the lose of her children and home (5 funerals in one week), to soldiers saying how extreme it is to kill, to war tired soldiers in Iraq wondering why they are there and why they get paid less than $2000 a month to put their lives on the line when Haliburton truck drivers that travel the same route every day make $10,000 a month, to soldiers with missing body parts or lasting nerve damage talking about how we shouldn't have been in Iraq and how they will vote Democratic, to a very patriotic mother in Flint that reads a letter from her son he wrote before he died in a blackhawk crash (and the words from him call GW an idiot and that we shouldn't be there, none of it makes sense, etc) to having her break down at tears at the site of the White House for what it did to her family. These moments take up the majority of the movie. The human cost for his actions are terrible.....and to think that it happened due to a pile of lies about WMD and so companies can make money in Iraq. Do you really wonder why Moore goes out of his way to make GW look like an idiot and says the things he does. Moore is needed in this country. He may not always be right, he may not say the right things but he gets everyone to think and question the way things are going. The way I look at it, we have GW one one extreme and Moore on the other. Hopefully the country will find balance._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #37 June 30, 2004 I loathed "Roger and Me" enough to decide not to watch any more MM movies; I thought it was mean-spirited and too much about showing only the negative. Umm -- note I'm considered one of the lefties. I'll probably watch F911; I've been assured by my boyfriend (who watched it last night, and who also didn't like "Roger and Me" for the same reasons) that it's not about MM, and that the second half in particular is very powerful. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #38 July 1, 2004 QuoteHave you even seen the movie? Nope, and I'm not going to. It's propaganda, not a documentary and I choose not to support it by putting money in Fat Bastard's pocket. None of his other films have presented both sides of the issue so I don't expect this one to. Quoteto soldiers with missing body parts or lasting nerve damage talking about how we shouldn't have been in Iraq and how they will vote Democratic Did he talk to the ones who have been injured who support the war effort and are willing to go back? Nope. They're out there. Did he talk to the wives of dead soldiers who are proud of what their husbands did and still support the effort? Nope. They're out there. QuoteMoore is needed in this country. We need Fat Bastard as much as we need the KKK. I just hope someone finally asks Kerry what he thinks of Fat Bastard's opinions. That should cause him to squirm. Fat Bastard is a liar. He is not accidentally wrong with his facts, he intentionally manipulates the facts to try to get people to accept his beliefs. He is not needed. He is nothing but propaganda material for the terrorists. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #39 July 1, 2004 I didn't hear one word you said. Using MM's size and refering to him as a fat bastard is predujice in nature and therefore because of that ignorance I can't read your post._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 July 1, 2004 Kerry has missed 62% of the votes in the Senate in the last two years so ya better not vote for him then....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #41 July 1, 2004 QuoteI didn't hear one word you said. Using MM's size and refering to him as a fat bastard is predujice in nature and therefore because of that ignorance I can't read your post. That's okay. Your mind is never gonna change, anyway. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 July 1, 2004 Yep, the same info repeated by Clinton, Karry, Mr(hic) Kennedy. Guess they are all in it together"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #43 July 1, 2004 QuoteKerry has missed 62% of the votes in the Senate in the last two years so ya better not vote for him then..... As I understand it, despite missing loads of votes in the Senate as he campaigns to be president, Kerry made sure to make it back to the capitol for one particular vote, and that was the vote on the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act -- the one that the demoncrats poisoned by amending to it an extension and expansion of the 1994 "assault weapons ban." That's the ONE he managed to get back to vote on. And then he poses as a gun-rights-friendly "duck hunter." What a disgusting liar. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #44 July 1, 2004 QuoteI have a van with a satellite phone, XM radio, and a cellular modem. I can do all sorts of things with it, including checking email, surfing the web, getting on Qualcomm's intranet etc. Anytime to actually watch the road there Bill? Hope I don't meet up with you on a 2 lane highway. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #45 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteI didn't hear one word you said. Using MM's size and refering to him as a fat bastard is predujice in nature and therefore because of that ignorance I can't read your post. That's okay. Your mind is never gonna change, anyway. - See, unlike most that banter/argue on here...I am open minded and willing to hear both sides. Most are sticking to a POV they have heard their entire life from family, friends, coworkers, military, etc...._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #46 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteI didn't hear one word you said. Using MM's size and refering to him as a fat bastard is predujice in nature and therefore because of that ignorance I can't read your post. That's okay. Your mind is never gonna change, anyway. - See, unlike most that banter/argue on here...I am open minded and willing to hear both sides. Most are sticking to a POV they have heard their entire life from family, friends, coworkers, military, etc.... How do you know that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #47 July 1, 2004 QuoteHow do you know that? Yet another personal attack deleted Nothing new. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #48 July 1, 2004 >Anytime to actually watch the road there Bill? None at all! Which is why I have Amy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #49 July 1, 2004 Your one warning - no personal attacks, even if you think you're right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #50 July 1, 2004 QuoteDid he talk to the wives of dead soldiers who are proud of what their husbands did and still support the effort? Nope. They're out there. I would love to see you find one that has a measurable level of intelligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
