Should the voting age be 14?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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But we've just been told the more educated you are the more likely you are to be Liberal.

We've been told that, but I'd sure love to see the stats.

Maybe the poster meant the more of an educator you are, the more liberal you tend to be.

In any event, being intelligent and being educated aren't nearly the same thing. I've known many professional educators that wander about proving it every day.

I gotta work on my sarcasm.

[skydyvr 0]

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I gotta work on my sarcasm.

No, your sarcasm is just fine. I was baiting the poster who said liberals are better educated than republicans.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I gotta work on my sarcasm.

No, your sarcasm is just fine. I was baiting the poster who said liberals are better educated than republicans.

That's just one of those unsubstantiated claims (read: lies) that they hope will become truth through repetition. Liberals are famous for doing that.

You want examples?

-The "Assault Weapon Ban" will get machine guns off the streets
-"Assault Weapons" are the weapon of choice for street criminals

-Terrorists are building their arsenals by shopping at gun shows

-Hollow point bullets are "cop killers" and are designed to penetrate police body armor

-Glocks are made entirely of plastic and are preferred by terrorists because they can be brought undetected through airport security checkpoints

-The Miller decision by the USSC settled the issue once and for all that you have to be in a state militia to have a right to own guns

And these are just the gun-related lies!!

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[kallend 2,148]

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No. That's just stupid and isn't going to happen.

I just can't seem to figure out why they would try to do this. I'm thinkin real hard. Do you have any idea why?

Because they just haven't thought about how DISASTROUS it would be if CHILDREN at that age, with the attendant maturity level were given power over who GOVERNS us.

Ironically, I'd bet that these are the same people who are outraged when children are sentenced as adults when they commit murder at 15 or 16 years old.

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Seems like you want it both ways - no franchise for children, but treat them as adults when it suits YOU.

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Everyone paying taxes should be allowed to vote

That would include an awful lot of people who aren't citizens, including illegal aliens.

What's wrong with that?

Economically they're contributing more than teat-sucking citizens.

Phillosophically they might not share the American ideals (belief in a system of limited government with powers limited to those spelled out in the constitution) although that also applies to our government and plenty of citizens.

[billvon 3,116]

>What's wrong with that?

Might be odd to have a bunch of determined anti-free-trade Canadians help sway the next presidential election.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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No. That's just stupid and isn't going to happen.

I just can't seem to figure out why they would try to do this. I'm thinkin real hard. Do you have any idea why?

Because they just haven't thought about how DISASTROUS it would be if CHILDREN at that age, with the attendant maturity level were given power over who GOVERNS us.

Ironically, I'd bet that these are the same people who are outraged when children are sentenced as adults when they commit murder at 15 or 16 years old.

Blue skies,
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Seems like you want it both ways - no franchise for children, but treat them as adults when it suits YOU.

When it suits ME? No, and how very presumptuous of you.
No, I say remove them from society when it serves SOCIETY, because they're pernicious,unrepentant killers.

We've had several of them in Florida lately. You might remember the 13-year-old who was so pissed off that he was suspended from school on the last day for throwing water balloons, and for being told by his teacher when he returned to school despite his suspension that he could not come into the class to talk with his girlfriend, that he used a gun he had stolen and brought to school and shot that teacher in the face, killing him.

Naturally, "it was an accident." "The gun just went off." "I didn't pull the trigger." "The gun was defective." "What were they doing selling such a gun in the first place? It's a 'Saturday Night Special.' " "It should have been locked away." Even the widow of the teacher tried (eventually unsuccessfully) to sue the gun distributor. (A verdict that assigned 5% of the blame was overturned because the gun was not defective in the slightest.)

But was there ANY admission by the kid that he murdered the teacher and was sorry?! This was, according to the defense, anyway, "the kid's favorite teacher."

The kid was a cancer in society, even at 13, and we ARE better served that he is sentenced as an adult, and we ARE better served that fuckup minds like his cannot vote. Period.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[kallend 2,148]

You may recall Abraham Lincoln's adage about how many legs a dog has if you call its tail a leg?

Well, kids are still kids, whether or not you call them adults.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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You may recall Abraham Lincoln's adage about how many legs a dog has if you call its tail a leg?

Well, kids are still kids, whether or not you call them adults.

Well, then, I guess we shouldn't really be discussing the nomenclature we apply to those under the age of 18; we really should be discussing what legal penalties should apply to people of what ages.

I personally believe that the more serious the crime, the lower the age at which serious penalties should be applied. We are watching people younger and younger commit more and more heinous crimes. No one knows what's really going on in their heads, so all we really can do is react after they commit these crimes. And sure as shit I don't want a kid who can commit murder at 13 ever to be released back into society again. He's proven he doesn't respect life. Even at, say, FOUR years old, a kid should be able to do that.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[tunaplanet 0]

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Should the voting age be 14?

Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.

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Although I agree with you in some respects, there is an abundance of evidence showing that the heinous acts of some pubescent juveniles can be directly attibuted to hormonal surges that will no longer affect them after they get older.

I'm not saying it should be used as an excuse to give them a free pass. But it does suggest that they could in the future be law abiding, productive citizens.

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I personally believe that the more serious the crime, the lower the age at which serious penalties should be applied. We are watching people younger and younger commit more and more heinous crimes. No one knows what's really going on in their heads, so all we really can do is react after they commit these crimes. And sure as shit I don't want a kid who can commit murder at 13 ever to be released back into society again. He's proven he doesn't respect life. Even at, say, FOUR years old, a kid should be able to do that.

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Hmm, so I skipped most of this thread, were you for or against allowing 14 year olds to vote? Personally I say give it to them. But then again I'm all for youth rights as they are basically the last great disenfranchised group in this nation with hardly anyone to speak for them. Kev brings up a good point about taxation without representation. I believe that the key underlying the issue is the equal protection clause. Kids are anything but equally protected under the law. For that matter we adults change the laws around willy nilly whenever it suits our purposes (or a DA's reelction goals).

"Ooh, you did something really bad now, we're gonna try you as an adult."

"Well can I have a beer then?"

"Hell no, you're not an adult."

Hmm, I think there's a contradiction here. We need to make a choice as a nation, either children are children and shouldn't be held accountable the same as adults nor given the privileges... or not, and they can vote, and do whatever the hell they want to and face the full weight of justice if they break the law. None of this you're a kid until you do something really bad and then we're gonna punish you as an adult shit.

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