Cheney replied "go f--- yourself."

[PhillyKev 0]

Because now instead of just fining station owners, the fine has been substantially increased AND can be levied against the person on the radio. Stern for one has stated that if the bill gets signed he will leave the airwaves because he doesn't want to risk making a mistake and being personally fined 3 millioni dollars.

[markd_nscr986 0]

***Hillary vs. Laura Bush


Yeeesh.....I just had the worst mental image of Hilary and Laura........mud wrestlingThanks for the inputGreat, now I'll have nightmares about it

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[WrongWay 0]

Nice job, but still, religion should NEVER have been brought into any debate or any form of politics.

Shame on those who involved it with the administration of our nation.

Wrong Way
D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451
The wiser wolf prevails.

[aprilcat 0]

Bush vs. Kerry
Powell vs. Bush
Powell vs. Rumsfeld
Powell vs. White House
Hillary vs. Laura Bush

This should revive my interest in politics
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Let's see: it was Class Day..next week should be Prom...maybe they will fight in the yard over by the swings. Place your bets! My money is on Cheney unless some Democrats jump in~~April

Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo!

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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why does shit like this make the news?

Because on the whole, our society is vacuous, ignorant, and easily entertained by the most base, rank behavior. We thrill to what is deplorable, and we extol the obnoxious.

Watch any t.v. commercial, and you'll see people behaving badly toward each other, displaying lack of integrity, lack of compassion, lack of honesty. And the media make it seem "cute." (For example, the asshole guy who ate the last Lean Pocket, and when his wife asks about them, he pops the last of it into his mouth and then tells her he hasn't seen them. Or this selfish, "Get your own bag" thing where people are absolutely unwilling to share -- and this is depicted as good.)

Faults are now virtues. Didn't you know?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[mardigrasbob 0]

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why does shit like this make the news?

Because on the whole, our society is vacuous, ignorant, and easily entertained by the most base, rank behavior. We thrill to what is deplorable, and we extol the obnoxious.

Watch any t.v. commercial, and you'll see people behaving badly toward each other, displaying lack of integrity, lack of compassion, lack of honesty. And the media make it seem "cute." (For example, the asshole guy who ate the last Lean Pocket, and when his wife asks about them, he pops the last of it into his mouth and then tells her he hasn't seen them. Or this selfish, "Get your own bag" thing where people are absolutely unwilling to share -- and this is depicted as good.)

Faults are now virtues. Didn't you know?

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Don't forget addled, airheaded, birdbrain, backward, besotted, boring, brainless, daffy, daft, dense, dim, dim-witted, doltish, dumb, dumbbell, dumdum,dumb bunny, emptied, feeble-minded, half-baked, half-witted, ignorant, imbecilic, indolent, insensate, low, moronic, not bright, numskulled, obtuse, retarded, scatterbrained, shallow, simple, simple-minded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupid, tedious, thick, unintellectual, wearisome, witlessdull, foolish, inane, lamebrain, menus, nerdy, nobody home, nothing upstairs, nutty, shallow, silly, stark, stupid, superficial, uncomprehending, unfilled, unintelligent, unreasoning, vacant, void


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[Gawain 0]

Here's the relevant transcrip from VP Cheney's interview with Neil Cavuto. I watched the interview and Cheney's demeanor was almost mischievous. I have a new found respect for the man:

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CAVUTO: All right. Sir, a couple of little issues I want settled, or maybe to get the real skinny on. One was this blowout you had the other day with Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont. What happened?

CHENEY: Well, I guess you could say we had a little floor debate in the United States Senate.

CAVUTO: I heard it was more than a debate.

CHENEY: Well, I expressed myself rather forcefully, felt better after I had done it.

CAVUTO: All right. Now, did you use the "F" word?

CHENEY: That's not the kind of language I usually use.

CAVUTO: All right, because the reports were that you did.

CHENEY: Yes, that's not the kind of language I ordinarily use. But...

CAVUTO: What did you tell him?

CHENEY: I expressed my dissatisfaction for Senator Leahy.

CAVUTO: Over his comments about you and Halliburton?

CHENEY: No. It was partly that. It was partly — also, it had to do with — he is the kind of individual who will make those kinds of charges and then come after you as though he's your best friend. And I expressed, in no uncertain terms, my views of the — of his conduct and walked away.

CAVUTO: Did you curse at him?

CHENEY: Probably.

(LAUGHTER)

CAVUTO: Do you have any regrets?

CHENEY: No. I said it, and I felt that...

(CROSSTALK)

CAVUTO: So let me understand, he comes up, he sees you, Mr. Vice — he's all nice, shakes your hand. And then what do you do, let into him?

CHENEY: Explain my unhappiness with the way he conducted himself. Ppart of the problem here is, that instead of having a substantive debate over important policy issues, he had challenged my integrity. And I didn't like that. But, most of all, I didn't like the fact that after he had done so then he wanted to act like, you know, everything's peaches and cream.

And I informed him of my view of his conduct in no uncertain terms. And as I say, I felt better afterwards.

CAVUTO: All right. Now, they say you broke decorum for normally a Senate or congressional session. Now, technically, I guess, it wasn't in session.

CHENEY: No, we weren't in session. What we were doing was waiting to take our pictures, our official Senate photo. And I go up and sit in the chair, as the president of the Senate (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CAVUTO: What was reaction from the crowd?

CHENEY: Well, I think that a lot of my colleagues felt that what I had said badly needed to be said, that it was long overdue.

CAVUTO: Pretty feisty guy, aren't you?

CHENEY: Well, I'm usually fairly calm (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CAVUTO: Your wife's just a few feet away.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[sundevil777 102]

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hypocrisy of the censorship supporting, morally superior right

Telling a person to go **** off in person is quite different than saying it on broadcast TV or radio.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[kmcguffee 0]

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Shouldn't the FCC be fining him or something?

Since it wasn't broadcast on TV or radio, no.

I think this is hilarious. Leahy is a two faced little bitch who questioned Cheney's integrity in public then tried to be pals with him afterwards. He deserved it. Cheney should have punched him to accentuate the comment.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Shouldn't the FCC be fining him or something?

Since it wasn't broadcast on TV or radio, no.

I think this is hilarious. Leahy is a two faced little bitch who questioned Cheney's integrity in public then tried to be pals with him afterwards. He deserved it. Cheney should have punched him to accentuate the comment.

In an article in Saturday's Palm Beach Post, there's mention of a Carolina senator "taking his cane to" an abolitionist and leaving him bloody and near death on the senate floor. The whiny libs should be counting their lucky stars Cheney doesn't walk with a cane!

edit: Oh, it took place in 1856, not recently.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[PhillyKev 0]

Whoopee, the VP told someone to fuck off. I tell people to fuck off all the time. Where's my respect.

This is silly. I have no problem with what he said or why he said. In fact, I could care less. What amazes me is the hero worship that it has invoked.

[mardigrasbob 0]

The perfect liberal.
What vision?!!






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[TheAnvil 0]

Good for Mr. Cheney. Foul language is appropriate sometimes, and in light of all Mr. Leahy has said/done, he is certainly most deserving of such expletives directed towards him.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[MC208B 0]

Good for him, he should have followed it up with a good old fashioned ass kicking

[cloudseeker2001 0]

Cheney is the President of the Senate and he should not be speaking like that. It just goes to she these people have put themselves on GOD status and have no respect for the nation or its people.

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[sundevil777 102]

Leahy got less than he deserved for what he said.

God status? Where does that come from?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

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Cheney is the President of the Senate and he should not be speaking like that.

The Senate was technically not in session at the time. This was during a Senate group picture.

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It just goes to she these people have put themselves on GOD status and have no respect for the nation or its people.

Please explain/expound what you are trying to say.

Also, if your integrity was publicly challenged by someone, who then smiled in your face as if all was fine between you two, like Leahy tried to do to Cheney, would you really not confront that person (Leahy) for his two-faced hypocrisy?

While I would not have used curse words myself, I am not upset that Cheney used them towards Leahy. From what I have read, Cheney has no regrets. He stood up for himself and rejected Leahy's hypocrisy. I can understand this as I have had similar situations arise at work, when people did not seem to show proper respect towards one another by spreading rumors/lies and smiling in each other's face. Obviously, lies about one's integrity and character can be extremely detrimental to one's reputation and/or career, especially if these are lies about the Vice President of the U.S.

I doubt that you have never uttered a curse word to another person. Especially not if that person had been trying to tarnish your reputation with lies.

Read this:

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Cheney said yesterday he was in no mood to exchange pleasantries with Leahy because Leahy had "challenged my integrity" by making charges of cronyism between Cheney and his former firm, Halliburton Co. Leahy on Monday had a conference call to kick off the Democratic National Committee's "Halliburton Week" focusing on Cheney, the company, "and the millions of dollars they've cost taxpayers," the party said.

"I didn't like the fact that after he had done so, then he wanted to act like, you know, everything's peaches and cream," Cheney said. "And I informed him of my view of his conduct in no uncertain terms. And as I say, I felt better afterwards."

Leahy, crossing the aisle to the Republican side of the chamber Tuesday, tried to make small talk with Cheney. Cheney yesterday referred to the incident as "a little floor debate in the United States Senate," although the Senate was not in session at the time. According to Leahy's staff, the Vermont senator answered Cheney's complaint about Halliburton with Democrats' complaints that the White House sanctioned a smear of Catholic Democratic senators over their objections to Bush's judicial nominees.

"Ordinarily I don't express myself in strong terms, but I thought it was appropriate here," Cheney said.

In my opinion, Leahy is a hypocrite and should think about his own morals and character before attacking someone else's with lies.

Honestly though, I wish that both of these parties would be able to work together, instead of lashing out at each other.

[cloudseeker2001 0]

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Cheney is the President of the Senate and he should not be speaking like that.

The Senate was technically not in session at the time. This was during a Senate group picture.

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It just goes to she these people have put themselves on GOD status and have no respect for the nation or its people.

Please explain/expound what you are trying to say.

Also, if your integrity was publicly challenged by someone, who then smiled in your face as if all was fine between you two, like Leahy tried to do to Cheney, would you really not confront that person (Leahy) for his two-faced hypocrisy?

While I would not have used curse words myself, I am not upset that Cheney used them towards Leahy. From what I have read, Cheney has no regrets. He stood up for himself and rejected Leahy's hypocrisy. I can understand this as I have had similar situations arise at work, when people did not seem to show proper respect towards one another by spreading rumors/lies and smiling in each other's face. Obviously, lies about one's integrity and character can be extremely detrimental to one's reputation and/or career, especially if these are lies about the Vice President of the U.S.

I doubt that you have never uttered a curse word to another person. Especially not if that person had been trying to tarnish your reputation with lies.

Read this:

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Cheney said yesterday he was in no mood to exchange pleasantries with Leahy because Leahy had "challenged my integrity" by making charges of cronyism between Cheney and his former firm, Halliburton Co. Leahy on Monday had a conference call to kick off the Democratic National Committee's "Halliburton Week" focusing on Cheney, the company, "and the millions of dollars they've cost taxpayers," the party said.

"I didn't like the fact that after he had done so, then he wanted to act like, you know, everything's peaches and cream," Cheney said. "And I informed him of my view of his conduct in no uncertain terms. And as I say, I felt better afterwards."

Leahy, crossing the aisle to the Republican side of the chamber Tuesday, tried to make small talk with Cheney. Cheney yesterday referred to the incident as "a little floor debate in the United States Senate," although the Senate was not in session at the time. According to Leahy's staff, the Vermont senator answered Cheney's complaint about Halliburton with Democrats' complaints that the White House sanctioned a smear of Catholic Democratic senators over their objections to Bush's judicial nominees.

"Ordinarily I don't express myself in strong terms, but I thought it was appropriate here," Cheney said.

In my opinion, Leahy is a hypocrite and should think about his own morals and character before attacking someone else's with lies.

Honestly though, I wish that both of these parties would be able to work together, instead of lashing out at each other.

Pride should not matter. The bigger person, the President of the Senate, should have known better, acted with respect to the Institution, Senate, and People his represents. His actions are an example of his God like status. It is much more than a "fuss" a work.

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

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Pride should not matter.

Who said anything about pride? Telling someone what you really think of him/her to his/her face is about being real and not a hypocrite. Cheney also admitted what he did and why.

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The bigger person, the President of the Senate, should have known better, acted with respect to the Institution, Senate, and People his represents. His actions are an example of his God like status.

Your words are still confusing, although I think that I understand what you are trying to say. (Perhaps, that Cheney should turn the other cheek?) Personally, I have never put anyone in politics up on a pedestal, so nobody's actions have ever come across as "God-like" to me. I highly doubt that Cheney thinks that he is above certain things merely because he is the V.P. The fact that he cursed at Leahy and has owned up to it (saying that he felt better afterwards) has proven that he is human just like you and me.

Also, do you hold all presidents and v.p's to the same standards, or just the ones whose views differ from yours? What did you think of Clinton who said that he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky "because he could"? That sounds to me more like someone who thinks that he is above the rules, but that is just my opinion.

[wmw999 2,560]

Interesting. People here on dz.com say all kinds of awful things to each other, call each other stupid and the like (not directly, but remember all liberals are stupid, and all conservatives are shortsighted narrowminded etc. folks).

Then we expect to go out drinking with each other after that. There are probably people on here who hope they never meet some of the others; some because they don't think they come off that well, and others because they don't want to find that they actually like the other person in real life.

But Cheney is in a position where, frankly, politeness is expected. It's perfectly OK for him to cut Leahy off at the knees; he doesn't have to be his friend or go out with him. But they are members of the same club, whether they accept it or not. And Cheney should find a better way to say that he's not interested in being Leahy's friend.

It'll get the idea across. Just go read Miss Manners; she gives lots of ways.

Every time you make your point by throwing your weight around and making it clear that you're too important or powerful to have to be polite or follow the usual rules, you create resentment, and stretch the rules for others. Which means that in the future, when you're not so powerful, those others might remember.

After all, revenge is a dish best served cold.

Countries might do well to remember that too.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

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Every time you make your point by throwing your weight around and making it clear that you're too important or powerful to have to be polite or follow the usual rules, you create resentment, and stretch the rules for others.

Loosing one's temper and uttering a curse word is not the same as throwing your weight around, imo. Do you think that Cheney was planning to curse? I think that Cheney snapped suddenly/lost it when Leahy came up smiling in his face. I also agree with you, though, that politeness is ALWAYS better than cursing. People loose their tempers, sometimes. It's only human, but I doubt that anyone is truly happy that Cheney cursed at Leahy. I know that I am not as it is not what I'd do, like I mentioned in a prior post, but I am not upset about it either.

What happened between Leahy and Cheney seemed to change from a public situation to a personal situation between them two a this photo op. They traded one personal attack for another, athough two wrongs don't make a right. Right? Perhaps it was the wrong thing to do for the right reasons (well, depending on your beliefs.)

Again, like I said previously, I wish that both of these parties would be able to work together (for the good of the nation), instead of lashing out at each other.

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People here on dz.com say all kinds of awful things to each other, ... call each other stupid and the like Then we expect to go out drinking with each other after that.

Big difference between saying, "your policy is stupid" or, "you're stupid for advocating that policy" and saying, "you advocate that policy (as VP of the US) for your own financial gain".

Big difference.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

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Big difference between saying, "your policy is stupid" or, "you're stupid for advocating that policy" and saying, "you advocate that policy (as VP of the US) for your own financial gain".

Big difference.

Yes, that can be viewed as a personal attack on one's integrity (a personal attack from Leahy towards Cheney). Accusing someone of doing something like that is not something that is ever taken lightly.

Also, a knowing, pre-calculated public accusation and attempted tarnishing of someone's character/reputation is much different than loosing one's temper by uttering a curse word towards someone in a face-to-face confrontation.

[Trent 0]

I just never got why people would deliberately "push someone's buttons" and then get mad, hurt, offended when they got the exact response they were looking for.

Oh, hello again!

[crwmike 0]

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I just never got why people would deliberately "push someone's buttons" and then get mad, hurt, offended when they got the exact response they were looking for.

Ahhh, the 'you made me hit you, whorthless bitch' rationale.

Michael