LoudDan 0 #76 June 29, 2004 Word. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #77 June 29, 2004 Less I forget it was Kruschev who blinked. Or was it Kennedy? What should've Kennedy done. He had several options: invade, air strikes or blockade. A stupid leader would've launched an attack and you and I would not be here right now. Yes, Kruschev viewed him as young and weak after their meeting in 1961, but who ended up backing down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #78 June 29, 2004 QuoteLess I forget it was Kruschev who blinked. Or was it Kennedy? What should've Kennedy done. He had several options: invade, air strikes or blockade. A stupid leader would've launched an attack and you and I would not be here right now. Yes, Kruschev viewed him as young and weak after their meeting in 1961, but who ended up backing down. Blink hell! That was the line. Nothing was said about the deal to trade the missles in Turkey. In fact R.F.K. conspired with the Soviets to lie or not mention the quid pro quo to the American people. J.F.K. was wasted on pills the whole week. --------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #79 June 30, 2004 QuoteNothing was said about the deal to trade the missles in Turkey. You mean the outdated and partially defunct missiles that were scheduled to be removed anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #80 June 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteNothing was said about the deal to trade the missles in Turkey. You mean the outdated and partially defunct missiles that were scheduled to be removed anyway? Quote In the morning Khrushchev publicly announces that if the United States removes its nuclear missiles from Turkey, the Soviet Union will remove its missiles from Cuba: "You are disturbed over Cuba. You say that this disturbs you because it is ninety miles by sea from the coast of the United States of America. But...you have placed destructive missile weapons, which you call offensive, in Turkey, literally next to us [there is not even 90 miles of distance]...I therefore make this proposal: We are willing to remove from Cuba the means which you regard as offensive...[if you] will remove its analogous means from Turkey...And after that, persons entrusted by the United Nations Security Council could inspect on the spot the fulfillment of the pledges made." Later that evening, unknown to any of the ExComm members, Anatoly Dobrynin and Robert Kennedy meet at the Soviet embassy. Dobrynin repeats that if Soviet nuclear missiles are intolerable in Cuba, then U.S. missiles are also intolerable in Turkey. Robert Kennedy phones the president, and returns explaining the President is willing to negotiate. Most in ExComm abhore Khrushchev's peace proposal: McNamara argues that the Jupiters in Turkey should be removed, but only as a prelude to a full invasion of Cuba; Maxwell Taylor forwards the JCS recommendation simply to initiate the airstrike and invasion plans and plan for a nuclear war; and the State Department drafts a letter flatly rejecting the Soviet proposal of a nuclear deployment trade. Anatoly Dobrynin brings Robert Kennedy an unsigned letter from Premier Khrushchev explicitly spelling out the terms of the arrangement, including Robert Kennedy's former pledge that the Jupiter IRBMs will be removed from Turkey.involving the Jupiter missiles in Turkey. http://future.state.gov/future/when/timeline/1946_cold_war/castro_cuba_missles.html -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,108 #81 June 30, 2004 >Blink hell! Result of Cuban missile crisis: war was averted and the missiles were removed from Cuba. Which is a win no matter how you look at it (unless you're an arms supplier, or really wanted a good war to watch on TV.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #82 June 30, 2004 Quote SH knew it was an option on the table, agreed to 13 years ago. He just rolled the dice that no one would follow through and bribed the UN to help keep it from happening with their approval. Agreed - he gambled, he lost. But I am confident that as you said before, the wider battle / war is in its infancy...*************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #83 July 1, 2004 "Agreed - he gambled, he lost. " As if that came as any surprise, he was well known for his brinksmanship, pre Desert Storm. He was playing the same dangerous game right up to the start of the liberation.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #84 July 6, 2004 And yet some more....however, a small amount http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L02528495.htm“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
