storm1977 0 #1 June 25, 2004 10 -12 shell containing Mustard gas and sarin found in IRAQ according to Charles Duelfer. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123680,00.html ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #2 June 25, 2004 Luckily for the terrorists we made it easier for them to get their hands on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #3 June 25, 2004 IF insergents know where they are GUESS WHAT... SH and his cronnies knew where they were too. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #4 June 25, 2004 > IF insergents know where they are GUESS WHAT... >SH and his cronnies knew where they were too. There was an anthrax attack against the US a few years back, with a culture that came from a US lab. Are you saying that therefore our government knew all about the attack, and is keeping the information a secret? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #5 June 25, 2004 Don't be dumb Bill. If you worked in a secret lab with Anthrax... You may be able to walk out with a few billion spores in a small bag and not get noticed. But, I fing it hard to believe you could move probably several hundred artillary shells with chem/bio agents with out someone knowing. And, if more than one person knows then you have a consiracy. SH didn't like that sorta shit going on in IRAQ I am pretty sure he would have known or someone would have ratted on someone. You know what this guy was like.... Paranoid!!!! it is well documented he killed pretty much anyone that crossed him lied to him or just did something he didn't like. Fear goes a long way to keep people in check. Shit a lot of scientist still weren't talking after SH was capture because they were still afraid of the reprocusions. The ANthrax in the US could easily be one rouge guy. Hiding probably hundreds of shell takes a bit more than that. (I say hundreds as an assumption. They found 2 last month 12 this month and I am banking on a lot more which haven't been found) Your arguemnet is weak at best Bill. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 June 25, 2004 So, we need to invade and inspections won't work because they're so easy to find. But we needed to invade because they were so easy to hide and the inspectors would never find them. I think I understand now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #7 June 25, 2004 They are not easy to find.... Who said that. If they were easy to find we would have found them long ago. As would the ispectors. They are easy to find though if you know where they are. Scientist knew where they were. Geeze can't imagine why Iraq wouldn't let some scientist talk to inspectors alone. Maybe the US should have offered these guys money too just like the terrorist did :-) ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #8 June 25, 2004 >But, I fing it hard to believe you could move probably several hundred >artillary shells with chem/bio agents with out someone knowing. Did we find a few hundred? I have a feeling we will happen across one more here, five more there - basically what people could pilfer from destroyed military bases. >The ANthrax in the US could easily be one rouge guy. Let's say that, in 2000, the US bombed yet another military installation in Iraq (which we did regularly) and killed everyone there. And you happened by in your pickup truck to see what you could salvage from the wreckage. How many shells could you carry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #9 June 25, 2004 So Powell says Iraq wasn't producing WMD's... CIA says data wrong... No solid evidence... Yet storm1977 still posts about it like it justifies the war on Iraq! and what do you mean by "more" wmds found? Are you referring to the shell they found a month or so ago? Obviously not a big deal since it never really made any headlines and fizzled out of the news pretty much right away. This is almost becoming funny! In fact it is so funny that it's becoming sad... very, very sad. One day you might actually conclude that there weren't any WMD programs in place, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that they had no solid link to Al-Queda, and that they were not an immediate threat to our security... oh yeah, and that the number of terrorist atacks has reached a 30 year high! So much for the fight against terror... hey, at least they found 12 empty shells with traces of mustard gas dating back to the 1980's! 13,000 Iraqi civilian injuries and deaths are certainly justified in the war against terror for 12 old shells from back in the day right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 June 25, 2004 QuoteThey are not easy to find.... Who said that. You did. QuoteI fing it hard to believe you could move probably several hundred artillary shells with chem/bio agents with out someone knowing. Hiding probably hundreds of shell takes a bit more than that. (I say hundreds as an assumption. They found 2 last month 12 this month and I am banking on a lot more which haven't been found) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #11 June 25, 2004 There are no WMDs at the Airport Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #12 June 25, 2004 QuoteDid we find a few hundred? No reread my post. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #13 June 25, 2004 Quote So Powell says Iraq wasn't producing WMD's... CIA says data wrong... No solid evidence... Yet storm1977 still posts about it like it justifies the war on Iraq! and what do you mean by "more" wmds found? Are you referring to the shell they found a month or so ago? Obviously not a big deal since it never really made any headlines and fizzled out of the news pretty much right away. This is almost becoming funny! In fact it is so funny that it's becoming sad... very, very sad. It is called political pressure. Now.... I never said 9/11 was connected to iraq. I don't recall the administration doing it either. I do recall them calling Iraq part of and axis of evil though. I also recall Clinton making a link between AQ and SH. Read my other thread I just started. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #14 June 25, 2004 Quote10 -12 shell containing Mustard gas and sarin found in IRAQ according to Charles Duelfer. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123680,00.html WOW!!! Ten to twelve whole artillery shells. With mustard gas and sarin. I used to live in Washington D.C. near American University, and they found more than that from an old WWII munitions dump when someone was digging up their backyard to put in a swimming pool. If this "threat" constitutes a clear and present danger to the United States, to the point of justifying an invasion halfway around the world, then this country is in serious trouble. We better get going on that "Strategic Artillery Shell Shield"."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #15 June 25, 2004 OK.... 10-12 doesn't scare you? The difference is the ones in your backyard weren't in the wrong hands. So if one of these shells made its way to let's say the Olypics this summer it still wouldn't be a big deal Right. Your Name says it all ..... TYPICAL! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #16 June 25, 2004 QuoteDid we find a few hundred? I have a feeling we will happen across one more here, five more there - basically what people could pilfer from destroyed military bases. But Bill...They were not supposed to have ANY remember?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #17 June 25, 2004 QuoteOK.... 10-12 doesn't scare you? Of course it does... ONE would scare me in the wrong hands. The point of my post was that things like "gas shells" are pretty common, and even though "technically" fit the definition of WMD's, hardly constitute a threat or justification . I think you would find that almost every single military in the world possesses in their arsenal something along the same lines; friend or foe."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #18 June 25, 2004 QuoteThe difference is the ones in your backyard weren't in the wrong hands. And by being buried in someone's backyard they were in the RIGHT hands? And what does my screen name have to do with anything? Did I miss something?"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #19 June 25, 2004 >They were not supposed to have ANY remember? How could he not have any? We SOLD them to him! Then we bombed the crap out of his military bases. If I sold you some .38 ammo, then burned your house down, and then bulldozed the site, would it be reasonable for me to demand you be accountable for every one of those rounds? If you said they had likely all been destroyed when I burned down your house, and I dug one up, would that make you a liar? We are going to continue to find debris of SH's regime. We'll find radioactive stuff that was carted off by scrap metal haulers. We'll find bits and pieces of old biological and chemical weapons factories that were destroyed by either SH or the US's bombing campaign. I suspect we'll find a few more stolen shells, and probably some raw ingredients for chemical weapons (stamped "Made in USA" more likely than not.) And I'm sure that some people are going to hold this debris up and say "we were right when we talked about the thousands of liters of anthrax and enough nuclear weapons to make his next attack end in a mushroom cloud!" But most people in the US are coming to realize how silly that all sounds, and are realizing the war, as it was executed, was a mistake. From USAToday: ------------------------------------------------ Poll: Sending troops to Iraq a mistake By Susan Page, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — Most Americans now say that sending U.S. troops to Iraq was a mistake, a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll finds. For the first time, a majority also says that the war there has made the nation less safe from terrorism. The survey taken Monday through Wednesday shows a turnaround in views toward the war in less than a month. Continued violence in Iraq and questions about the war's justification apparently are eroding support even as the U.S. moves to turn over sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government next week. (Related: Complete poll results) It is the first time since Vietnam that a majority of Americans has called a major deployment of U.S. forces a mistake. When the war in Iraq began last year, the public by three-to-one said sending troops wasn't a mistake. Just three weeks ago, 58% still held that view. Now, 54% say it was a mistake. ------------------------------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #20 June 25, 2004 QuoteHow could he not have any? We SOLD them to him! Yep and he claimed to have them. QuotePoll: Sending troops to Iraq a mistake All a poll does is say what is POPULAR...Not what is right. And I bet several polls a year ago said we should have gone. Hindsite is 20/20....People are sick of the war...even those that were FOR it a year ago. A poll just says what is popluar NOW.... QuoteIt is the first time since Vietnam that a majority of Americans has called a major deployment of U.S. forces a mistake. When the war in Iraq began last year, the public by three-to-one said sending troops wasn't a mistake. Just three weeks ago, 58% still held that view. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #21 June 25, 2004 Liberal pansies would love nothing better than for the U.S. to loose 50,000 troops in Iraq. Vietnam was their heyday. They fell under Ho's spell and betrayed the country. These people don't love America, they want a worldwide socialist big brother telling them how to think and what is polically correct to say. ----------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
favaks 0 #22 June 25, 2004 QuoteThese people don't love America, they want a worldwide socialist big brother telling them how to think and what is polically correct to say. Yeah, like who you can and can't get married to. Oh yeah, and if you dare to "THINK" for yourself and it happens to oppose the current view of the administration, you're a traitor. favaks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #23 June 25, 2004 QuoteLiberal pansies would love nothing better than for the U.S. to loose 50,000 troops in Iraq. Vietnam was their heyday. They fell under Ho's spell and betrayed the country. These people don't love America, they want a worldwide socialist big brother telling them how to think and what is polically correct to say. I'm pretty liberal. I know lots and lots of liberals. I don't know a single one who thinks this way. Whoever you're hanging out with, they're not liberals. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 June 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteLiberal pansies would love nothing better than for the U.S. to loose 50,000 troops in Iraq. Vietnam was their heyday. They fell under Ho's spell and betrayed the country. These people don't love America, they want a worldwide socialist big brother telling them how to think and what is polically correct to say. I'm pretty liberal. I know lots and lots of liberals. I don't know a single one who thinks this way. Whoever you're hanging out with, they're not liberals. Wendy W. They're the pot heads playing hacky sack all day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #25 June 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteLiberal pansies would love nothing better than for the U.S. to loose 50,000 troops in Iraq. Vietnam was their heyday. They fell under Ho's spell and betrayed the country. These people don't love America, they want a worldwide socialist big brother telling them how to think and what is polically correct to say. I'm pretty liberal. I know lots and lots of liberals. I don't know a single one who thinks this way. Whoever you're hanging out with, they're not liberals. Wendy W. They're the pot heads playing hacky sack all day. I thought those were skydivers...."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
