kallend 2,114 #26 June 24, 2004 QuoteWhy GWB I do believe. Questions: How has that impeded him in doing his job? What did he do on these vacations? How many press conferences did he give during these vacations? How many meetings with foreign leaders did he have during these vacations? He should make the vacation permanent, then, and do us all a favor.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #27 June 24, 2004 QuoteLibertarian isn't a viable choice in this election. Voting libertarian will only ensure another four years of Bush. This is the attitude that limits our choices to a two party system......Moving on... ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #28 June 24, 2004 I agree, but unless everyone changes their attitude at once, voting for a third party presidential candidate is a waste of a vote. I do vote for third party candidates in local elections, when I feel they will do the best job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 June 24, 2004 Quote When the hell did I become any Republican's biggest supporter? Are you denying that you've heavily supported GWB in this forum?!? Don't make me use the search engine. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #30 June 24, 2004 In 'right vs. wrong' threads, I stand up for conservative ideas (and therefore Bush for as much as he is conservative) In 'proper role of gov' threads, I stand up and be counted as Libertarian. The only time I stand up for a Republican like Bush is when I am constrained to two options, and the other one is a Democrat like Kerry. If you can show me where I said "Bush is the best candidate" (or somethign similar) and not" Bush is a better candidate than Kerry/Gore/Clinton etc," then I'll eat my words.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #31 June 24, 2004 Libertarians are very different from Republicans and Democrats (the two main parties here in the US). Republicans and Democrats believe in some liberties, but not others. They believe government should stay out of some areas, but heavily control other areas. (they are generally 100% opposite in where to mess with things and where to stay hands off) That is why I call them two sides of the same coin, and one that should be stamped no cash value. Libertarians, on the other hand, believe in all liberties, that government should be small and abide by constitutional limitations, and that it is the job of states or smaller entities to do more. I am personally conservative in my politics, but I realize that I don't know what's better for you than you do, so I don't want a government that thinks it does, either. edit - Libertarians fill more political offices than all other third parties combined.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #32 June 24, 2004 Damn right!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #33 June 24, 2004 Generally, both parties believe that they know what is best for you and you don't. They would like to help you. To a liberal, liberalized drug laws are a freedom that is too limited and we should have more freedom. Then you bring up gun ownership...that should be controlled for "other" people. They wish to define what "freedoms" that you have, to protect others from themselves. To a conservative, liberals are naive and unrealistic (read Johnsons Great Society and the failed welfare institutions). Conservatives wish to define what "freedoms" that you have to protect others from themselves. All politicians believe that they are part of an intellensia that knows what is best for you. What is best for me would be less politicians and lawyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #34 June 24, 2004 pretty easy to attack one platform, hiding behind one that will never see a chance of governing in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #35 June 24, 2004 Someone needs their reading comprehension skills reviewed.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
migliore 0 #36 June 24, 2004 Getting back to the article at hand, Kerry is claiming that GOPers kept democracy from happenning by changing moving a vote by one day. How about this snipet from boortz.com Quote "But these people are so petty, so sad, so political, that all they could do was spend the whole day finding a way not to let John Kerry vote. Once again it's my way or the highway, shut the door, lock people out. Don't let them take part in the democracy. Don't respect the institution. Don't show the common courtesies and actually bring people together to find the common ground." Wait a minute! Kerry's having a bit of fun with us here, isn't he? He's really kidding. He didn't say this with a straight face, did he? Kerry is actually talking about Republicans working all day to find a way not to let him vote? They shut the door? They wouldn't let him take part in democracy? They weren't respecting the institution? Two words. Judicial appointments. What about President Bush's appeals court appointments. What's the current toll? Six? Seven? How many nominees are there out there who have the Senate votes necessary for confirmation, but who sit waiting for that vote to take place? And why aren't those votes being taken? Because of Senate Democrats! Democrats have shut the door. They won't let the democratic process proceed. John Kerry wants to talk about not respecting the institution? Fine! Let's consider the fact that this is the first time in the history of the U.S. Senate that one party has blocked a confirmation vote for a judicial nominee who has the votes needed for confirmation! Democrats aren't just blocking the votes on these nominees for one day. They're making sure that the votes never happen! I'm not going to waste much time looking for this particular news story, but does anyone remember John Kerry condemning the Democrats for preventing votes on judicial nominees? Has Kerry excoriated the Democrats for shutting the door and locking people out? Has Kerry complained that the Democrats won't let the democratic process proceed? Just something to think about...politics are politics. And rediculous games are played because the first goal of any politician is to gain power. Shane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 June 25, 2004 QuoteResearch his performance a bit more, young padawan... No need. This is typical gamesmanship between the two parties. Both sides are crying out about the awfulness of the other side, makes good fodder to supply to their own sheep, doesn't mean shit in the bigger picture. I can't imagine anyone changing their vote over this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #38 June 25, 2004 QuoteLibertarian isn't a viable choice in this election. That's a hell of a way to think. QuoteVoting libertarian will only ensure another four years of Bush. So you're saying, either way, we win. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #39 June 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteLibertarian isn't a viable choice in this election. That's a hell of a way to think. I love it. People crying because the candidate they think is most suited for the job can't win while these same people refuse to vote the candidate they think is best suited for the job. If you ever wondered why the US is essentially a two party system you only need to go so far as the mirror. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeehaa 0 #40 June 25, 2004 Thanks for that. I never thought I could learn about American politics AND skydiving on the same website! I don't think I can be "wrong" about Bush any more than you can be "right". We just feel differently about the decisions he has made and the actions he has taken. Of course I don't know much about Bush's decisions etc other than what I see on tv and read in the paper/on the net. Perhaps he has some redeeming features I don't know about. Sorry for going so far off the original topic. I'll shut up now.Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. George Bernard Shaw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
