pajarito 0 #76 June 24, 2004 QuoteYeah, well, I personally feel that it should be my personal choice to be a slave to whatever the hell I want to. Some people are workaholics, slave to their jobs. Some people are slave to their religion. Some people are slave to appearances. Some choose to be sex-slaves. Whatever floats your boat, I say go for it. If we can get just a little bit of something that makes us feel good and do so without (physically) harming someone else, great. Yeah...but how about when you become a burden to society based on your drug addiction? When you run out in front of a car because you're all doped up and don't know what you're doing. When you get dragged into the ER to get patched up on the tax payer's dime. When you sleep with every guy on the block in order to pay for your next hit. When you have babies that you can't take care of so you leave them on other people's doorsteps. When you get so careless that you share needles and transmit diseases to others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #77 June 24, 2004 .at the point your actions begin to significantly affect the lives of others, then society needs to step in. Before then, whatever your weaknesses, no matter what their effects on your life and its possible span, are your own. hold people responsible for their actions, from day one, square one, and you will not have to differentiate between the influences that might have prompted them.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #78 June 24, 2004 Great. So you're back to blaming guns, another inanimate object. One side says blame the drugs and ban them, the other says blame the guns and ban them. Do you not see the irony and/or hypocracy there?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #79 June 24, 2004 QuoteHow can anybody advocate open drug use in this country? We already have it for the most part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #80 June 24, 2004 QuoteYeah...but how about when you become a burden to society based on your drug addiction? When you run out in front of a car because you're all doped up and don't know what you're doing. When you get dragged into the ER to get patched up on the tax payer's dime. When you sleep with every guy on the block in order to pay for your next hit. When you have babies that you can't take care of so you leave them on other people's doorsteps. When you get so careless that you share needles and transmit diseases to others. That's being stopped now? What about the burden on society of $60 BILLION per year being used in the war on drugs. The crimes that aren't investigated because the cops are too busy fighting drugs. The violent criminals who are released early to make room for people on drugs. IMO, that's a much bigger burden on society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #81 June 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteYeah, well, I personally feel that it should be my personal choice to be a slave to whatever the hell I want to. Some people are workaholics, slave to their jobs. Some people are slave to their religion. Some people are slave to appearances. Some choose to be sex-slaves. Whatever floats your boat, I say go for it. If we can get just a little bit of something that makes us feel good and do so without (physically) harming someone else, great. Yeah...but how about when you become a burden to society based on your drug addiction? When you run out in front of a car because you're all doped up and don't know what you're doing. When you get dragged into the ER to get patched up on the tax payer's dime. When you sleep with every guy on the block in order to pay for your next hit. When you have babies that you can't take care of so you leave them on other people's doorsteps. When you get so careless that you share needles and transmit diseases to others. Everything you said except the bit about needles applies equally to alcoholism. So do you want to make alcohol illegal too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #82 June 24, 2004 QuoteNow weed is a different story; as long as you are not selling major poundage or driving down the highway, cops are not going to mess with you. But if they do; don't go whining about the archaic drug laws. An excellent idea for a bumper sticker - "Whining - the first step to change." Archaic meaning "out of date" and/or "useless"? Seems like a good whining target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #83 June 24, 2004 Quote Aren't we supposed to care about freedom; except when it comes to the slavery of drug addiction? What I don't understand is that tobacco and alchohol are much more destructive than pot, yet pot it illeagal and they're not. For anyone that says out current drug policy isn't political BS, would you please care to explain the above to me?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #84 June 24, 2004 QuoteQuotePeople should stop buying and selling drugs then... it's getting expensive to house them. That tactic has proven its usefullness. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here - We should let the public do as they please, and when they are addicted to heroin and have no way to get any - you would pay for them to do thier drugs. If we stopped the war on drugs as you would suggest, the tax dollars that pay for the help for the homeless and those that would use the help productively would then have to be redirected toward the addicts. So along your line of thinking - it could be surmised - because of the probable outcome of what you have showed us in your previous posts and such, is that we should work, give most of our money that we earn to those that are addicted to drugs or are homeless via taxation, keep bare neccessities for our selves because the government knows how to handle our money better than we do. Isn't that Socialism? Or is that Communism? Or is that a little of both?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #85 June 24, 2004 QuoteIf we stopped the war on drugs as you would suggest, the tax dollars that pay for the help for the homeless and those that would use the help productively would then have to be redirected toward the addicts. If we stopped the war on drugs, we could direct that money to education and prevention and treatment of addicts. 60 BILLION a year is currently spent on the war on drugs. Stopping the war on drugs will cost taxpayers LESS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #86 June 24, 2004 QuoteQuote IMHO the government has no business telling an adult what he or she should do with his or her body, including what substances are put into it, so long as no-one else is harmed. Some substances are so destructive, however, that they should be controlled or prohibited by the government. There is a limit to the whole "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect someone else" thing. Those people who are so messed up on drugs are a significant burden on society and are not usually productive members of it. It hurt family, friends, and society as a whole. As the Declaration of Independence, and the IXth and Xth Amendments remind us, we have rights beyond those specifically stated in the Constitution. It is my opinion that the government has no right to tell me what I should or shold not do with my body just so long as it harms no-one else. I also find it strange that those who shout loudest against government interference in their lives also seem most in favor of government interference in other people's lives.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #87 June 24, 2004 QuoteIt is my opinion that the government has no right to tell me what I should or shold not do with my body just so long as it harms no-one else. I'll agree as long as you'll agree that the govt. has no right to take money from me to cure your addiction or support your family. QuoteI also find it strange that those who shout loudest against government interference in their lives also seem most in favor of government interference in other people's lives. Perhaps because of the reason I gave you above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #88 June 24, 2004 If dope smokers want to change the law, let them engage the legislative process and change it. Until then, STFU and obey the law, lest you end up being Bubba's bitch in prison... That being said, I have serious doubts about the ability of pot smoking wastes of space being able to organize themselves enough to change any laws. They're too busy playing hackey sack or giggling on the way to the quickie mart to buy twinkies... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #89 June 24, 2004 Quote QuoteIt is my opinion that the government has no right to tell me what I should or shold not do with my body just so long as it harms no-one else. I'll agree as long as you'll agree that the govt. has no right to take money from me to cure your addiction or support your family. do we apply this standard to obesity as well? you do realize where the vast majority of your tax/insurance etc money really goes in health costs?? enforced PT programs? mandatory dietary restrictions designed to increase your health and so reduce your personal cost on 'the system'? heart disease kills far more than drugs.....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #90 June 24, 2004 QuoteIf dope smokers want to change the law, let them engage the legislative process and change it. Until then, STFU and obey the law, lest you end up being Bubba's bitch in prison... That being said, I have serious doubts about the ability of pot smoking wastes of space being able to organize themselves enough to change any laws. They're too busy playing hackey sack or giggling on the way to the quickie mart to buy twinkies... According to NIDA more than 20 MIllion americans are frequent marijuana smokers. Although your stereotype might be amusing, it's not even close to accurate or a reflection of society. There are literally MILLIONS of people who use drugs and don't have problems with it. And you don't know about it because they don't fit your stereotype. I'll bet you I can find many more abusers of prescritpion drugs than you can find abusers of marijuana. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #91 June 24, 2004 QuoteQuote QuoteIt is my opinion that the government has no right to tell me what I should or shold not do with my body just so long as it harms no-one else. I'll agree as long as you'll agree that the govt. has no right to take money from me to cure your addiction or support your family. do we apply this standard to obesity as well? you do realize where the vast majority of your tax/insurance etc money really goes in health costs?? enforced PT programs? mandatory dietary restrictions designed to increase your health and so reduce your personal cost on 'the system'? heart disease kills far more than drugs..... I believe this should be regulated by the Health Insurance Companies in the same way they determine auto insurance rates. If you are obese and have a high-risk lifestyle, you pay a higher premium. Sorta like buying life insurance for a skydiver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #92 June 24, 2004 I don't drive....why should I have to pay taxes that go to build roads for you to drive on? I don't use public transportation. Why should I pay taxes to support that? I don't go to national parks. Why should I pay to support them? The point that is being overlooked repeatedly and I think intentionally since no one addressed it is.... We are already paying 60 BILLION a year for the war on drugs. It will cost LESS to stop it and provide treatment to those who need it. One way or another we're going to pay. People will always do things that you don't and you'll do things that they don't. Unless you want to individually pay for every single public service that you use from every step you take on a sidewalk, to every drop of water you use, to every tree in a park that you look at you have to figure out what is best for society as a whole. Stopping the war on drugs will be CHEAPER for taxpayers, it will REDUCE drug use because more effort will be on prevention, it will REDUCE crime because dealers won't be fighting over territory, it will REDUCE funding to terrorists, it will REDUCE funding of corrupt gov'ts in S. America. Anyone who wants to use drugs does. Right now you're paying for treatment AND paying for law enforcement. The law in unenforceable, stop trying and we'll all be better off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #93 June 24, 2004 wishes ignorance were painful____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #94 June 24, 2004 QuoteI don't drive....why should I have to pay taxes that go to build roads for you to drive on?Quote Because the Police Officers who protect you drive on them, the food you eat is brought in on trucks, much of our commerce which keeps our economy strong relys on roads. Same reason you subsidize the railroads. QuoteI don't use public transportation. Why should I pay taxes to support that? I don't think you should, but I see the benefit such as reduced emmisions. QuoteI don't go to national parks. Why should I pay to support them? Because trees are vitale to the environment. QuoteThe point that is being overlooked repeatedly and I think intentionally since no one addressed it is.... We are already paying 60 BILLION a year for the war on drugs. It will cost LESS to stop it and provide treatment to those who need it. One way or another we're going to pay. What will the cost be? Got any stats? I'm willing to listen. QuoteStopping the war on drugs will be CHEAPER for taxpayers, it will REDUCE drug use because more effort will be on prevention, it will REDUCE crime because dealers won't be fighting over territory, it will REDUCE funding to terrorists, it will REDUCE funding of corrupt gov'ts in S. America. How do you know the drop in revenues won't cause a mass exodus into the US? How do you know people won't starve? How do you know it won't spark a Marxist Revolution with terrorists trying to bring down the US as the oppressor? QuoteAnyone who wants to use drugs does. Right now you're paying for treatment AND paying for law enforcement. The law in unenforceable, stop trying and we'll all be better off. And you know this how? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #95 June 24, 2004 I think everything should be legal and we should all be on drugs...all the time. We'd all be at peace with the world and with everyone around us. No rules...no laws...you probably wouldn't hurt anybody else...Even if you did hurt somebody else, nobody would care because everybody would be as fucked up as you are. Think about the possibilities... total free-for-all... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #96 June 24, 2004 Quotewishes ignorance were was painful If it was...some here would be dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #97 June 24, 2004 Quote I think everything should be legal and we should all be on drugs...all the time. We'd all be at peace with the world and with everyone around us. No rules...no laws...you probably wouldn't hurt anybody else...Even if you did hurt somebody else, nobody would care because everybody would be as fucked up as you are. Think about the possibilities... total free-for-all... Imagine all the people.. living for today whooo hooo. You may say I'm a dreamer....but I'm not the only one.... I hope someday you'll join us...and the world can live as one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #98 June 24, 2004 QuoteImagine all the people.. living for today whooo hooo. You may say I'm a dreamer....but I'm not the only one.... I hope someday you'll join us...and the world can live as one. Let's just all stay wasted...man. We're all in perfect control of ourselves. It doesn't matter if I'm smoking crack and driving through a playground. If I kill anybody, I didn't mean to. I wasn't in control of myself. It's not my fault. It's society's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #99 June 24, 2004 Quote I think everything should be legal and we should all be on drugs...all the time. We'd all be at peace with the world and with everyone around us. No rules...no laws...you probably wouldn't hurt anybody else...Even if you did hurt somebody else, nobody would care because everybody would be as fucked up as you are. Think about the possibilities... total free-for-all... Whatever.....ridiculous argument. Drugs are bad for you and they are bad for society. The war on drugs is bad for society and does nothing about the problems with drug abuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #100 June 24, 2004 QuoteLet's just all stay wasted...man. We're all in perfect control of ourselves. It doesn't matter if I'm smoking crack and driving through a playground. If I kill anybody, I didn't mean to. I wasn't in control of myself. It's not my fault. It's society's fault. Ok....I'll make it easy for you. IF I wanted to do that right now. How will the war on drugs stop me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 4 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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pajarito 0 #95 June 24, 2004 I think everything should be legal and we should all be on drugs...all the time. We'd all be at peace with the world and with everyone around us. No rules...no laws...you probably wouldn't hurt anybody else...Even if you did hurt somebody else, nobody would care because everybody would be as fucked up as you are. Think about the possibilities... total free-for-all... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #96 June 24, 2004 Quotewishes ignorance were was painful If it was...some here would be dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #97 June 24, 2004 Quote I think everything should be legal and we should all be on drugs...all the time. We'd all be at peace with the world and with everyone around us. No rules...no laws...you probably wouldn't hurt anybody else...Even if you did hurt somebody else, nobody would care because everybody would be as fucked up as you are. Think about the possibilities... total free-for-all... Imagine all the people.. living for today whooo hooo. You may say I'm a dreamer....but I'm not the only one.... I hope someday you'll join us...and the world can live as one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #98 June 24, 2004 QuoteImagine all the people.. living for today whooo hooo. You may say I'm a dreamer....but I'm not the only one.... I hope someday you'll join us...and the world can live as one. Let's just all stay wasted...man. We're all in perfect control of ourselves. It doesn't matter if I'm smoking crack and driving through a playground. If I kill anybody, I didn't mean to. I wasn't in control of myself. It's not my fault. It's society's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #99 June 24, 2004 Quote I think everything should be legal and we should all be on drugs...all the time. We'd all be at peace with the world and with everyone around us. No rules...no laws...you probably wouldn't hurt anybody else...Even if you did hurt somebody else, nobody would care because everybody would be as fucked up as you are. Think about the possibilities... total free-for-all... Whatever.....ridiculous argument. Drugs are bad for you and they are bad for society. The war on drugs is bad for society and does nothing about the problems with drug abuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #100 June 24, 2004 QuoteLet's just all stay wasted...man. We're all in perfect control of ourselves. It doesn't matter if I'm smoking crack and driving through a playground. If I kill anybody, I didn't mean to. I wasn't in control of myself. It's not my fault. It's society's fault. Ok....I'll make it easy for you. IF I wanted to do that right now. How will the war on drugs stop me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
