Prison population and the war on drugs

[mardigrasbob 0]

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Excuse me' while I go outside to smoke a fat one!

Please stay on topic. If you want to talk about your homosexual behaviors, start another thread.

Michael

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[PhillyKev 0]

You're right, drugs are bad. But it still doesn't answer the question about what good it does to put them in jail.

[billvon 3,131]

>the same people that advocate legalizing drugs are the same one
> who want to make smoking on the beach a crime.

I'm one of them. (Well, not smoking outdoors, but smoking in any public enclosed place.) You should have the right to put whatever you want in your body, you just don't have the right to put it in mine.

[pajarito 0]

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>the same people that advocate legalizing drugs are the same one
> who want to make smoking on the beach a crime.

I'm one of them. (Well, not smoking outdoors, but smoking in any public enclosed place.) You should have the right to put whatever you want in your body, you just don't have the right to put it in mine.

I agree with Billvon on at least part of this one. I think smoking should be prohibited in any enclosed public place. There's no way that smoking in that instance would just be harming the individual.

[pajarito 0]

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IMHO the government has no business telling an adult what he or she should do with his or her body, including what substances are put into it, so long as no-one else is harmed.

Some substances are so destructive, however, that they should be controlled or prohibited by the government. There is a limit to the whole "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect someone else" thing. Those people who are so messed up on drugs are a significant burden on society and are not usually productive members of it. It hurt family, friends, and society as a whole.

[mardigrasbob 0]

Oh yeah, drugs only hurt the abuser.

[benny 0]

1, the first picture was so obviously photoshopped it wasn't even funny... 2, was methchild.jpg supposed to be a child of a mom who did meth or a child who did meth?

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[kelpdiver 2]

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>the same people that advocate legalizing drugs are the same one
> who want to make smoking on the beach a crime.

I'm one of them. (Well, not smoking outdoors, but smoking in any public enclosed place.) You should have the right to put whatever you want in your body, you just don't have the right to put it in mine.

Though if enough smokers continue to think of the beach and the roads as a dumping ground for their butts, I'll start to support total bans. That ashtray is in the car for a reason! And years ago when I worked the summer on the beach, I picked up billions of them in the sand.

I appreciate the smoke free restaurants and bars, though I don't think it would be a crime to allow a smoking room (like seen at some airports) too.

[mailin 0]

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Some substances are so destructive, however, that they should be controlled or prohibited by the government. There is a limit to the whole "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect someone else" thing. Those people who are so messed up on drugs are a significant burden on society and are not usually productive members of it. It hurt family, friends, and society as a whole.

The money that would no longer be spent to fight 'the war on drugs' could be used for best education and more treatment programs. Better education is always the answer to abuse in any way/shape/form.

Jen

Arianna Frances

[mailin 0]

Please don't tell me that these pictures are your answer to my asking for some actual facts to back up your point of view.

If so, keep looking.


Jen

Arianna Frances

[PhillyKev 0]

But won't someone think of the children???

[mardigrasbob 0]

For people who can handle it ok, but how are you going to find out?
If you legalize heroin and cocaine, the hospitals and coroners will be overrun.




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[PhillyKev 0]

judging by your pictures, the current method isn't doing a whole hell of a lot of good, now is it?

[pajarito 0]

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The money that would no longer be spent to fight 'the war on drugs' could be used for best education and more treatment programs. Better education is always the answer to abuse in any way/shape/form.

Jen

I think it's got to be both. I don't think you can just spend money on anti-drug educational programs and not also interdict the trafficking and selling of drugs in order to be effective.

[mailin 0]

Yes, drugs are a horrible thing. Much money should be spent on education and treatment rather than the current situation of trying to make them illegal (which isn't working obviously).

I work in an inner city hospital - I've seen some nasty stuff, from fire victims and drug overdoses to dead and dying children. Better education is the only way that the majority of these things could have been stopped. Making them illegal is not the answer, as its not working right now - if anything its breeding an entire other world of underground crime. Making it legal (selling them like current prescription drugs are sold, behind a counter) would free up money for treatment facilities and education.

Growing up i went through the DARE program (as I'm sure many of you have). Its a mediocre program at best, but it did keep me away from many of the harder drugs that kill people. A more intensive program (one that lasts longer than a grade or two and meets every week) would be an even better idea.

Jen

Arianna Frances

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I agree with you, to a point. The intial phase of drug legalization would need to be restricted, such as only legallinzing one drug a year (or some time frame) - with the eventual plan of making all drugs legal.

Jen

Arianna Frances

[mardigrasbob 0]

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Please don't tell me that these pictures are your answer to my asking for some actual facts to back up your point of view.

If so, keep looking.


Jen

www.nida.nih.gov/

[PhillyKev 0]

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Please don't tell me that these pictures are your answer to my asking for some actual facts to back up your point of view.

If so, keep looking.


Jen

www.nida.nih.gov/

You know what's interesting on that web site? I don't see anything about treatment.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Please don't tell me that these pictures are your answer to my asking for some actual facts to back up your point of view.

If so, keep looking.


Jen

www.nida.nih.gov/

What in particular did you want to point out to her?

It would be kind to say that this is not a reliable source - no better than asking the Narc division if they want to find a new job.

The govenment is very interested in studies about how bad drugs are, but hostile to any examining the potential of medical pot.

[benny 0]

I love this little tidbit from one of the "companion" sites to NIDA.gov...

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Title Drugs of Abuse and HIV/AIDS Information
Today, an estimated 40 million people worldwide are living with HIV/AIDS. Of these, 2 to 3 million people are injecting drug users. In the United States, an estimated one-third of HIV/AIDS cases are related to injecting drug use. Research shows that use of drugs, injected or not, can affect decisionmaking - particularly about engaging in unsafe sex - that can endanger one's health and the health of others.

What the fuck, they can't even display a realistic educational program about how not to get fucking HIV, they just have to go on preaching. Hey geniuses, people drink beer and have unsafe sex too. Hell, people just really like to fuck, sometimes they do it without protection. I'd say more research than they can shake a stick at says that sex-ed and not abstinence-ed increases the odds of condom use.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[mardigrasbob 0]

I obviously touched a nerve!
How can anybody advocate open drug use in this country?
Aren't we supposed to care about freedom; except when it comes to the slavery of drug addiction?
Step away from your keyboard and go down to your local junkie haven and spend the evening. Ask a few hypes 'should drugs be legal?'; you might be surprised by their answers.
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www.drugabuse.com/drugs/

[crwmike 0]

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I obviously touched a nerve!
How can anybody advocate open drug use in this country?
Aren't we supposed to care about freedom; except when it comes to the slavery of drug addiction?
Step away from your keyboard and go down to your local junkie haven and spend the evening. Ask a few hypes 'should drugs be legal?'; you might be surprised by their answers.
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Yep, just look at the problem it's created in Amsterdam.

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - While debate simmers in the United States over legalizing drugs, the trend in Europe is toward increased tolerance for the user - and tougher penalties for the trafficker. -U.S. Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders set off a storm by suggesting America's streets might be safer if drug use were legalized. In Amsterdam, you don't have to go far to find evidence that supports her argument. In the red light district, for instance, elderly tourists mingle freely with junkies and let their pocketbooks dangle freely. In a city known as one of Europe's major drug bazaars, purse-snatchings are rare and drug-related crimes of violence are almost unheard-of. But permissiveness toward drug use may be less significant than other policies - such as strict gun control - in explaining low levels of crime and violence. ... European officials oppose outright legalization. ... Police have focused their war on drugs on traffickers associated with organized crime, even as tolerance toward possession and use makes drugs cheap and easy to get. The Dutch government eliminated penalties for drug possession in 1976, setting a policy that possession of up to a gram of heroin (.035 ounces) or 30 grams (1.05 ounces) of marijuana or hashish was not a punishable offense. Even though heroin is readily available, the Dutch addiction rate is one of Europe's lowest, with about 15,000 hard drug addicts and 600,000 marijuana and hashish users in this nation of 15 million

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[Zenister 0]

i loved 'saved' junkies..they are worse than born again Christians when it comes to distorting facts and imposing their belief system and morality on others...

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[mardigrasbob 0]

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i loved 'saved' junkies..they are worse than born again Christians when it comes to distorting facts and imposing their belief system and morality on others...

Guilty as charged!

Been there!
Done that!
Lost a few friends along the way!






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[benny 0]

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I obviously touched a nerve!
How can anybody advocate open drug use in this country?
Aren't we supposed to care about freedom; except when it comes to the slavery of drug addiction?
Step away from your keyboard and go down to your local junkie haven and spend the evening. Ask a few hypes 'should drugs be legal?'; you might be surprised by their answers.
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www.drugabuse.com/drugs/

Yeah, well, I personally feel that it should be my personal choice to be a slave to whatever the hell I want to. Some people are workaholics, slave to their jobs. Some people are slave to their religion. Some people are slave to appearances. Some choose to be sex-slaves. Whatever floats your boat, I say go for it. If we can get just a little bit of something that makes us feel good and do so without (physically) harming someone else, great.

Never go to a DZ strip show.