Fairenheit 9/11 review

[kallend 2,148]

I like the points this review makes:

www.idsnews.com/story.php?id=23764

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[ltdiver 3]

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I like the points this review makes:

www.idsnews.com/story.php?id=23764

More people need to read that review, John. Thanks for posting it.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

The reviewer says this:
"So let me just say this before we go any further: documentaries have no responsibility to be unbiased or fair. None. And despite what you may think, few ever are. That's not what they are there to do. There, I said it. Let's move on."

This statement is prejudicial and false. I believe that documentaries DO have a responsibility to be truthful, balanced, fair, and honest.

When I think of documentaries, first of all, I tend more to think of movies about how bears survive through the winter, or how things change ecologically for the animals in the Serengeti when the droughts come. There's little wiggle room for "bias" in such documentaries.

But starting out your column by making debatable claims about what a documentary must or must not do... I take issue with that. Who is this guy to officially state that documentaries don't have to be unbiased or fair? At least he doesn't say that they don't have to be HONEST -- but let's face it, part of honesty is not deliberately stacking arguments that are in your favor and completely omitting anything that might successfully contradict your theses.

This guy has set up his column with a specious, debatable, foundation, which clears the way for him to excuse Moore's deplorably biased, slanted, dishonest films.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[quade 4]

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When I think of documentaries, first of all, I tend more to think of movies about how bears survive through the winter, or how things change ecologically for the animals in the Serengeti when the droughts come. There's little wiggle room for "bias" in such documentaries.

This is quite possibly the funniest thing you've ever written.

Do you know how most nature docs are made? Have you ever actually listened to some of the commentary that goes with them? Do you really think that they depict the exact truth of what was going on at the time?

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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When I think of documentaries, first of all, I tend more to think of movies about how bears survive through the winter, or how things change ecologically for the animals in the Serengeti when the droughts come. There's little wiggle room for "bias" in such documentaries.

This is quite possibly the funniest thing you've ever written.

Do you know how most nature docs are made?

I don't think that I do, and I certainly never claimed to.

But my point is that nature documentaries don't typically have an AXE TO GRIND and grind it mercilessly and the facts be damned, and the counters to various claims be damned too.

Why exactly would that be the funniest thing I ever posted, pray tell?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Why exactly would that be the funniest thing I ever posted, pray tell?

Because MOST nature docs are filmed by professional ecologists and they pretty much ALL have an axe to grind when it comes to their particular species of animal. Most nature docs are far MORE biased than anything you'll ever see come out of Michael Moore.

Go watch a Jacques Cousteau documentary and tell me he's give you the entire story of anything. Nope, totally biased. Jane Goodall -- totally biased. Diane Fossey, Biruté Galdikas . . . the list goes on and on.

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[tunaplanet 0]

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Because MOST nature docs are filmed by professional ecologists and they pretty much ALL have an axe to grind

Uh oh...more conspiracy theories.

Save yourself a bunch of time and just read the definitions of "documentary" and "propaganda" again. Keep repeating that until a light clicks. If the light never clicks PM me and I'll come over and change out your bulb.

It is funny how the liberal sheep are screaming from the mountain tops that every documentary is as untruthful as Michael Moron's trash. Fucking hysterical.

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[ianmdrennan 2]

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It is funny how the liberal sheep are screaming from the mountain tops that every documentary is as untruthful as Michael Moron's trash. Fucking hysterical.

No more amusing than yelling that he doesn't at least have a point.

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[wmw999 2,588]

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It is funny how the liberal sheep are screaming from the mountain tops that every documentary is as untruthful as Michael Moron's trash

They're not. Some are saying that virtually every documentary has a bias. There's a big difference. And the fact that you don't want to watch that point of view robs you of the ability to combat it intelligently.

It doesn't try to put forward both points of view. And the wild animals documentary rarely takes a look at what poachers want, either.

Newsreels were supposed to be unbiased, but have you watched any? They're biased too. To make a truly unbiased documentary, you'd have to first identify a subject small enough that you could identify all relevant points; chart them, determine how much weight each carried, and put it all into the mix of what you showed.

Of course, people would still disagree and call it lies. It's easier to just be honest and say "this is my point of view -- I used quotes, film clips, and interviews with real people to make the movie, so therefore it fits the industry standard of a documentary."

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,116]

>But my point is that nature documentaries don't typically have an AXE TO GRIND . . . .

Methinks you haven't seen many documentaries. Check out some of these:

Silent scream
Whale hunters
Paragraph 175
Devil's Playground
Arctic Meltdown: Rising Seas

It's quite common to believe that a film that agrees with one's own opinion is unbiased, whereas a film that has a different viewpoint is biased - even if those two viewpoints are equally valid. I suspect, for example, that you would think highly of a documentary that focused on gun use for hunting and self defense, but would condemn one that showed only accidental gun deaths without showing much of the "good" usages of guns. But congruence to your opinion does not make either a better documentary than the other.

[quade 4]

Don't forget:

Pumping Iron
The Atomic Cafe

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[Zennie 0]

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Don't forget:

Pumping Iron
The Atomic Cafe

And the greatest documentary of all time...

"This Is Spinal Tap"

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[Zenister 0]

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Don't forget:

Pumping Iron
The Atomic Cafe

And the greatest documentary of all time...

"This Is Spinal Tap"

no wait that was propaganda...

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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

[Shark 0]

Must be an accurate documentary as Hezbollah has endorsed it.

[billvon 3,116]

>Must be an accurate documentary as Hezbollah has endorsed it.

Terrorist groups have become quite the critics lately! Heck, Al Qaeda endorsed Bush not too far back.

[quade 4]

Ya know, that would have been far more effective if you could have provided a URL.

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[Shark 0]

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Ya know, that would have been far more effective if you could have provided a URL.

Why? Would it have been anymore credible? It was quoted on CNN Headline news. It must be true.

[Shark 0]

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>Must be an accurate documentary as Hezbollah has endorsed it.

Terrorist groups have become quite the critics lately! Heck, Al Qaeda endorsed Bush not too far back.

Must not have been that great of one since they're now being hunted.

Oh, and provide a URL for Quade's benefit.

[Gravitymaster 0]

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1240819,00.html

[quade 4]

I already have that one.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114489,00.html

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[Shark 0]

I'm sure they're sending their donations to re-elect the president...right after yours.

[rushmc 23]

You are soooooooo incorrect. It is a lie..........


http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

The number of deliberate errors puts into question the whole movie!!!!

This is NOT a documentary because it is closer to fiction!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

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The number of deliberate errors puts into question the whole movie!!!!

This is NOT a documentary because it is closer to fiction!!!

Moore has better documentation in his film than GWB did for going to war.

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[billvon 3,116]

>Must not have been that great of one since they're now being hunted.

Or the hunting hasn't been that effective; they endorsed him well after 9/11. Perhaps they want the current lack of effectiveness to continue.

[rushmc 23]

Yep, he only stated the same things Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry said. Go figure.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln