When are you black, white, etc.

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Yeah. They got me for Public Ugliness just for showing up in court then tried to get me for contempt of court when the DA claimed I didn't stand up for the Judge's entry.

Just other ways of keeping the short man down. I tell you what dudes - I think I'm owed some reparations.

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Well, I've got this sorta farmer's tan thing goin on, so it really depends on whether or not i'm clothed.

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I'm about half German and a quarter English, but half African-American. figure that one out

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I'm about half German and a quarter English, but half African-American. figure that one out

You have a large, protruding tumor that likes tea at 4pm?

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I'm happy to see that so many don't support race based preferences, for whiich being able to categorize people would be needed.

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When I was a child, about 7ish or so, my father spread out a whole bunch of National Geographic magazines to different pages on the den floor. The photos were of all races, cultures, nationalities. Different countries, different economic levels, different facets of existence.

He asked me to look at them, and tell me what was different. I went through the differences: some were white, some were black, some were East Indian, Middle Eastern, whatever. Some were poor, some were rich. Some were healthy, some were not. Some were of war, some of peace. I kept looking for what my father wanted as an answer.

Finally, I said I didn't know. And he said "right. Nothing is different. They are all people."

That's what I see when I see someone - people. Not skin color, not ethicity, not gender, not economic status. People.

over the years, I learned what Dad was teaching that day. There are differences, but those differences are superficial. They are surface. There are differences, but there are more samenesses then there are differences.

And that's what I see. The samenesses, rather than differences.

Ciels-
Michele

social standing (i.e. wealth) and gender are different to race.
A "colour blind" approach to race is inherently flawed. If you see everyone as the same and treat them so, how are you supposed to take differing needs, characteristics and experiences into account?

We are all members of the "human race" and bleed the same colour sure, and i'm all for doing unto others as you would have done unto yourself etc but to group all races together is assimilationist.
Recognising our racial and cultural differences, and having others understand, accept, appreciate and celebrate them with us is central to successful race relations, not trying to paint us all with the same brush. IMHO we should be teaching tolerance, rather than assimilation.

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social standing (i.e. wealth) and gender are different to race.
A "colour blind" approach to race is inherently flawed. If you see everyone as the same and treat them so, how are you supposed to take differing needs, characteristics and experiences into account?

We are all members of the "human race" and bleed the same colour sure, and i'm all for doing unto others as you would have done unto yourself etc but to group all races together is assimilationist.
Recognising our racial and cultural differences, and having others understand, accept, appreciate and celebrate them with us is central to successful race relations, not trying to paint us all with the same brush. IMHO we should be teaching tolerance, rather than assimilation.

The whole 'equity' vs 'equality' argument is pile of bull. It assumes that you can just take someone and put them into nice easy little stereotyped bins and then treat them in a biased manner based on those stereotypes.

It's the ultimate form of prejudice.

The concept only works when we take people one at a time.

But your discussion doesn't consider individuals, it considers stereotypes of groups and those 'concessions' to culture etc will always result in some kind of preferential treatment at the cost of another stereotyped group.

Grouping like this is a result of mixed up values and laziness, and falsely based good intentions by people that can't link actions to long term consequences.

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Recognising our racial and cultural differences, and having others understand, accept, appreciate and celebrate them with us is central to successful race relations, not trying to paint us all with the same brush.
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Racial differences are so minute and the lines are blurred. There are some biological differences, but only coroner knows for sure. The only race I truly subscribe to is the Human Race.
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IMHO we should be teaching tolerance, rather than assimilation.
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I have always taken issue with that term 'tolerance'. We should not teach our children to 'tolerate' those with different skin colors. By nature, children are curious and just see the world as a big box of bright crayons and colors. Put a pair of 2 years olds in a room--they will play. Put a pair of 5 year olds in a room--they will say hi first, be shy first, but they will play. Put a pair of 9 y/o's in the room and they will stand there and compare/contrast their differences, but they will play. Somewhere down the line someone has taught to be cautious about differences.
We know what 'tolerance' implies. I don't 'tolerate' someone of another color sitting next to me and expect them to 'tolerate' me. I don't 'tolerate' working next to someone of a differnt skin color and I HOPE they aren't 'tolerating' me. What the hell did they/I do to be 'tolerated'? I think ACCEPANTCE and UNDERSTANDING should be the 'buzz words' we adopt for our children.~~~April

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The whole 'equity' vs 'equality' argument is pile of bull. It assumes that you can just take someone and put them into nice easy little stereotyped bins and then treat them in a biased manner based on those stereotypes.

It's the ultimate form of prejudice.

The concept only works when we take people one at a time.

But your discussion doesn't consider individuals, it considers stereotypes of groups and those 'concessions' to culture etc will always result in some kind of preferential treatment at the cost of another stereotyped group.

Grouping like this is a result of mixed up values and laziness, and falsely based good intentions by people that can't link actions to long term consequences.

where in my post do i advocate "preferential treatment" of people based on "sterotypes", and advocate grouping people together because it's easier? This isn't a for/against affirmative action post. Grouping people is not based on laziness it is based on fact e.g. sickle cell is more prevalent among afro caribbeans than whites. Seeing us all as "one human race" does not take into account something as basic as this, let alone differences between culture, history, experience and charachteristcs across races.
Nowhere do i suggest grouping people together and sterotyping anything, and you are absolutely right when you say we should take everyone as individuals. My post was about the fact that "colour blindness" with regard to race is a flawed concept because it is based on mass assimiliation which isn't possible because we are made up of different races, backgrounds, histories, traditions etc

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I think ACCEPANTCE and UNDERSTANDING should be the 'buzz words' we adopt for our children.~~~April

i agree, that's why i said what i did in my original post (what you quoted me on in the beginning of your post).

Acceptance and understand comes as a result, IMO, of teaching our children to be tolerant, not by saying "we are all the same underneath" because - as you said through your example - by even age 9 or 10, children can see very real differences between themselves and others anyway. The key is getting them to acknowledge, understand and then celebrate in those differences, and this is only possible through being tolerant of others who are not like you are. If you don't have anytime for anyone other than people like you, how can we expect people from different background to get on together?

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And that's what I see. The samenesses, rather than differences.

Ciels-
Michele

I generally notice that females are different from males. I tend to spend more time looking at the females.

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