PhillyKev 0 #51 June 29, 2004 QuotePeople told me I should not stick a skewer into my eye. Does that mean I should cut my fingers off with a hatchet? Well, I've got a skewer in my eye, and I'm missing my fingers. Should I keep going? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #52 June 29, 2004 QuoteShow me where Bush has done something right, and I'll consider revising my opinion. Bush has done plenty right. One of the best things he got right, according to Bill Clinton, was removing SH from power. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #53 June 29, 2004 QuoteDoes that mean I should cut my fingers off with a hatchet? No, you'd have a difficult time shooting your gun. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #54 June 29, 2004 As long as no one breaks into a verse of "This is my rifle, this is my gun..." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #55 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuotePeople told me I should not stick a skewer into my eye. Does that mean I should cut my fingers off with a hatchet? Well, I've got a skewer in my eye, and I'm missing my fingers. Should I keep going? So you plan on voting twice then? You really do fit in with the democrats this eleciton, Kev. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #56 June 29, 2004 QuoteThe Senate version of the Patriot Act, which closely resembled the legislation requested by Attorney General John Ashcroft, was sent straight to the floor with no discussion, debate, or hearings. Many Senators complained that they had little chance to read it, much less analyze it, before having to vote. In the House, hearings were held, and a carefully constructed compromise bill emerged from the Judiciary Committee. But then, with no debate or consultation with rank-and-file members, the House leadership threw out the compromise bill and replaced it with legislation that mirrored the Senate version. Neither discussion nor amendments were permitted, and once again members barely had time to read the thick bill before they were forced to cast an up-or-down vote on it. The Bush Administration implied that members who voted against it would be blamed for any further attacks - a powerful threat at a time when the nation was expecting a second attack to come any moment and when reports of new anthrax letters were appearing daily. Kerry is able to recognize his mistake and is willing to take action to correct it, even if it gives political fodder to his opponents. Bush will never admit a mistake, or change his course of action once he determines that God has agreed it is the right thing to do. A democrat in Farenheit 9/11 admitted that no one read it, in fact it was given to them with enough time to read it. The scariest part? He admitted that they really don't read any of the bills in front of them: "Do you realize how long it would take to read all of those? It would slow down legislation, but then again, that may be a good thing." No joke, this comes right from his mouth. Someone explain to me why these dumbasses get 6 figure salaries again?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #57 June 29, 2004 QuoteSomeone explain to me why these dumbasses get 6 figure salaries again? Because of the dumbasses who keep voting for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #58 June 29, 2004 QuoteShow me where Bush has done something right, and I'll consider revising my opinion. After al the trampling on the Second Amendment that the Clinton administration did, Bush's administration came out directly and recognized that the 2nd clearly guarantees an individual right, not this bullshit "collective" right that Clinton and other liberals claim (and which constitutional scholars deride). That's one. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #59 June 29, 2004 that definition is up to the supreme court, not the white house, and the supreme court has upheld that its an individual right fairly consistantly. and as for the "removing saddam" thing... I like the result, but I don't think it was worth so many lives. the ends didn't justify the means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #60 June 29, 2004 Quotethat definition is up to the supreme court, not the white house, and the supreme court has upheld that its an individual right fairly consistantly. and as for the "removing saddam" thing... I like the result, but I don't think it was worth so many lives. the ends didn't justify the means. I don't have strong opinions about the Iraq war at this time. I consider the whole thing a continuing work in progress, and it is far too early to tell what was "worth it." What if five years from now Iraq is dawning as an organized, free economic power whose citizens vote in free elections to install leaders? Would you then say it was worth some lives lost? As far as the 2nd Amendment goes... We're not talking about what the Supreme Court says, we're talking about the position taken by the administrations. Clinton had solicitors-general going before the federal courts and stating that the administration's position was that there IS NO INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. That was ARTICULATED in court. Just imagine if they had gone in there and said that you had to be a member of "the press" in order to enjoy freedom to publish what you wish. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #61 June 29, 2004 Quote Show me where Bush has done something right, and I'll consider revising my opinion. Removing the Taliban was a proper and effective response in the early going. Nations have been put on clear notice that harboring elements like al Queda is not a good move. I thought given the surpluses that it was time to remove the extra tax brackets put in 10 years ago to bump revenues. It is the excess spending lately that has been egregious. Can Kerry do worse than Bush? Certainly is possible. Look at Carter - bright man, good moral and political convictions, but no idea how to get them done. And as good as Clinton's handling of America was, his foreign policy was rather lacking. In the 90s, it was the GOP that kept complaining about the White House's tendencies to engage in conflict. I don't think there's anything wrong with voting out the incumbent if you don't feel things are going in the right direction. Or for any Democrat to pick Kerry over Bush. It's not exactly a prize pig competition there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #62 June 29, 2004 QuoteMost meaningful legislation has unintended consequences. You only hope that the gain outweighs it. In this particular case, I'm not seeing them. The thing is neither you nor I know how many attacks it has prevented, if any. There is no way to know."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #63 June 29, 2004 QuoteThe main reason to vote for Kerry is that he isn't Bush. Thats the worst most stupid reason in the world...I expected better out of you. ***IMO, there's no way Kerry could POSSIBLY screw up as bad as Bush has. Wanna bet?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #64 June 29, 2004 pretty much all of what I know about George Bush, I don't like. most of what I know about John Kerry, I like. reason enough for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #65 June 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteShow me where Bush has done something right, and I'll consider revising my opinion. After al the trampling on the Second Amendment that the Clinton administration did, Bush's administration came out directly and recognized that the 2nd clearly guarantees an individual right, not this bullshit "collective" right that Clinton and other liberals claim (and which constitutional scholars deride). That's one. - Was that before or after he stated that he was in favor of renewing the AWB? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #66 June 29, 2004 Quotemost of what I know about John Kerry, I like. such as?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #67 June 29, 2004 I like the fact that he went to war when he was asked. I like the fact that he had the guts to stand up and protest AFTER, when he knew what he was protesting. I like his stance on the environment, specifically the ANWR. I like his ideas for funding education. I like that he believes Ashcroft has encouraged the violation of civil liberties, and that he plans to rectify this problem. I like that he supports completely lifting the ban on gays in the military. I like his support for civil unions. I like his stance against discrimination based on sexual orientation. I like that he supports a woman's right to choose. I like that he has stated he will only appoint pro-choice judges to the supreme court. that's just some of it. I can go on, but don't really see the need to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #68 June 29, 2004 You could have just said you're a poster child for democrats, without the trial lawyer thing... but wait, aren't you studying law? QuoteI like that he supports completely lifting the ban on gays in the military. Somebody double check me on this, but I recall two things in the UCMJ that basically forbid gays in the military - sodomy, and conduct unbecoming. The president can't change the UCMJ on his own, and until those two things are not in it, what can he do? QuoteI like that he has stated he will only appoint pro-choice judges to the supreme court. You left out that he'd only appoint anti-gun judges to the courts. Why are people willing to trade freedom with the parties?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #69 June 29, 2004 the "conduct unbecoming" thing is very vague, from the text of the UCMJ that I found online. It would depend on the current definition of the term being used. as for the sodomy thing... the UCMJ has been changed in the past. hopefully, it can be changed in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #70 June 29, 2004 nobody's going to agree with a candidate on everything. I agree with Kerry a heck of a lot more than Bush. The gun control thing, I disagree on, but its one thing in the face of many, many more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #71 June 29, 2004 QuoteI like the fact that he went to war when he was asked. I like the fact that he had the guts to stand up and protest AFTER, when he knew what he was protesting. Do you like how he admitted to commiting war crimes? QuoteI like his ideas for funding education. How does he plan on paying for it? From sKerrys web site: Strengthening America's Schools for the 21st Century John Kerry believes that we need to invest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. He has the courage to fight for our children’s future every day. When it comes to education, George W. Bush has been the photo-op President. He stands next to children and teachers for a picture, but he doesn’t stand with them when it comes to improving our public schools. By signing the No Child Left Behind Act Which Kerry also signed and then breaking his promise by not giving schools the resources to help meet new standards, George Bush has undermined public education and left millions of children behind. As President, John Kerry will roll up his sleeves and get things done for America’s schools. It’s time to stop sending new mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the necessary resources needed to carry out those new rules. That’s why John Kerry is proposing a new ‘Education Trust Fund’ that means fully funding education, no questions asked. I have a question? How are you going to pay for it? John Kerry also believes that given the demands of a global economy, every single child has to be able to reach high standards in order to prosper. To ensure that all children can meet high standards, we need to do so much more to improve our public education system. John Kerry will support teachers, reduce class sizes, and rebuild crumbling schools.How are you planning on paying for it John? QuoteI like that he believes Ashcroft has encouraged the violation of civil liberties, and that he plans to rectify this problem. You mean like the patriot act that Kerry VOTED FOR? The Patriot Act was passed nearly unanimously by the Senate 98-1, and 357-66 in the House. (H.R. 3162, CQ Vote #313: Passed 98-1: R 49-0; D 48-1; I 1-0, 10/25/01, Kerry Voted Yea) And how he defended it? “Most of [The Patriot Act] has to do with improving the transfer of information between CIA and FBI, and it has to do with things that really were quite necessary in the wake of what happened on September 11th.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Town Hall Meeting, Manchester, NH, 8/6/03) QuoteI like that he supports completely lifting the ban on gays in the military. Like Clinton did? It will not happen anytime soon....Haveing served in the military I can tell you it WILL NOT HAPPEN...Ft. Cambell should have proven that to you. QuoteI like his support for civil unions “Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn’t rule out the possibility. ‘I’ll have to see what language there is,’ he said.” (Susan Milligan, “Kerry Says GOP May Target Him On ‘Wedge Issue,’” The Boston Globe, 2/6/04) QuoteI like his stance against discrimination based on sexual orientation. QuoteI like that he supports a woman's right to choose. “I think the question of abortion is one that should be left for the states to decide,” Kerry said during his failed 1972 Congressional bid. (“John Kerry On The Issues,” The [Lowell, MA] Sun, 10/11/72) But then yes he does agree later. QuoteI like that he has stated he will only appoint pro-choice judges to the supreme court. thats not what he said here: “Throughout two centuries, our federal judiciary has been a model institution, one which has insisted on the highest standards of conduct by our public servants and officials, and which has survived with undiminished respect. Today, I fear that this institution is threatened in a way that we have not seen before. … This threat is that of the appointment of a judiciary which is not independent, but narrowly ideological, through the systematic targeting of any judicial nominee who does not meet the rigid requirements of litmus tests imposed …” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 2/3/86, p. S864) But now he wants to impose just such a setup???? Quotethat's just some of it. I can go on, but don't really see the need to. Good casue it still seems weak, and I tire of the game."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #72 June 29, 2004 QuoteWhy are people willing to trade freedom with the parties? Unfortunately, you have to. There's no perfect candidate, you have to decide which represents you best in the issues most imporatant to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #73 June 29, 2004 QuoteHow does he plan on paying for it? Quoteinvest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #74 June 29, 2004 Quoteinvest in our schools instead of giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans Oh, tax and spend...typical Democrat"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #75 June 29, 2004 >Oh, tax and spend...typical Democrat Right! Why can't he be a spend and spend republican? After all, we can just print more money, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
