Nightingale 0 #26 June 23, 2004 I'm going to give my councilman the time he requested. After that, I will consider contacting the media. Good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #27 June 23, 2004 Somebody call John Stossel!!!witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #28 June 28, 2004 QuoteOk... now this whole Patriot Act thing has gotten too personal! To quote you: QuoteAnd the Patriot act doesn't say anything about needing someone's original birth certificate. It does mention the information sharing (section 701). What I'm running into is not law, its policy. So you are having a problem with the DMV...Not the patriot act."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #29 June 28, 2004 no... I have a problem with the way Social Security is implementing the new policies that have sprung from the patriot act. The information sharing thing covers the DMV. The info has to match. Social security is the one who won't make the changes to correct their data so it will match, thereby causing the problem. The patriot act itself is so vague that the interpretation and implementation has been pretty arbitrary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #30 June 28, 2004 QuoteI have a problem with the way Social Security is implementing the new policies that have sprung from the patriot act. Well then you have problems with the way the DMV's policies, are affected by the SSA policies that they came up with due to the Patriot act."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #31 June 28, 2004 yeah. If it weren't for the Patriot Act, SSA wouldn't have a policy requiring original birth certificates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #32 June 28, 2004 Quoteyeah. If it weren't for the Patriot Act, SSA wouldn't have a policy requiring original birth certificates. Thats like blaming the sun for skin cancer"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #33 June 28, 2004 I'm blaming SSA AND the patriot act. if the PA hadn't been passed, SSA would not have felt like they needed to require something that's damn near impossible to obtain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #34 June 28, 2004 How can you blame the Patriot Act? It's not like no one read it before voting to pass it. It was in a no way a knee jerk reaction without any thought to the consequences or ramifications of the bill. Oh wait...yet it was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #35 June 28, 2004 >Thats like blaming the sun for skin cancer More like blaming a UV lamp that your neighbor inside your bedroom for skin cancer. The Patriot Act is not a force of nature, nor can you choose to avoid it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #36 June 28, 2004 Quoteif the PA hadn't been passed, SSA would not have felt like they needed to require something that's damn near impossible to obtain. Last time I checked..the PA was passed with almost 100% approval. Even sKerry voted for it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #37 June 28, 2004 that's irrelevant. you know... instead of people telling me I shouldn't vote for Kerry, I'd like to see a few reasons why I should vote for Bush. So far, I haven't seen one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #38 June 28, 2004 Quotethat's irrelevant. you know... instead of people telling me I shouldn't vote for Kerry, I'd like to see a few reasons why I should vote for Bush. So far, I haven't seen one. Its relevent since you are bitching about it. As for sKerry vs. Bush...well make your own mind up...Its not like I could change it anyway.. But since you are bitching about something sKerry DID vote for...then said he really didn't like it...well that is kinda relevent."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #39 June 28, 2004 I don't care who voted for it back then or why. I care that its causing problems for me NOW, and the government claimed the patriot act wouldn't interfere with the lives of non-terrorists. now, since I have no plans on blowing anybody up, I guess I fall into the non-terrorist category, yes? The act and the way the government is implementing it is causing problems for people who aren't terrorists and have no ties to any kind of terrorist organization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #40 June 28, 2004 The Senate version of the Patriot Act, which closely resembled the legislation requested by Attorney General John Ashcroft, was sent straight to the floor with no discussion, debate, or hearings. Many Senators complained that they had little chance to read it, much less analyze it, before having to vote. In the House, hearings were held, and a carefully constructed compromise bill emerged from the Judiciary Committee. But then, with no debate or consultation with rank-and-file members, the House leadership threw out the compromise bill and replaced it with legislation that mirrored the Senate version. Neither discussion nor amendments were permitted, and once again members barely had time to read the thick bill before they were forced to cast an up-or-down vote on it. The Bush Administration implied that members who voted against it would be blamed for any further attacks - a powerful threat at a time when the nation was expecting a second attack to come any moment and when reports of new anthrax letters were appearing daily. Kerry is able to recognize his mistake and is willing to take action to correct it, even if it gives political fodder to his opponents. Bush will never admit a mistake, or change his course of action once he determines that God has agreed it is the right thing to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 June 28, 2004 Quote Thats like blaming the sun for skin cancer What would you blame instead? While one can look for other sources of UV, it's still the primary one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #42 June 28, 2004 QuoteNeither discussion nor amendments were permitted, and once again members barely had time to read the thick bill before they were forced to cast an up-or-down vote on it. The Bush Administration implied that members who voted against it would be blamed for any further attacks - a powerful threat at a time when the nation was expecting a second attack to come any moment and when reports of new anthrax letters were appearing daily. Ever heard of an abstain? I bet if everyone didn't vote they would get to read it. Whos fault is it if you sign before you read something? QuoteBush will never admit a mistake, or change his course of action once he determines that God has agreed it is the right thing to do. Proof Bush thinks God said it was the rigth thing to do??? Oh thats right, you don't use PROOF, you use SLANDER"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #43 June 28, 2004 QuoteWhat would you blame instead? While one can look for other sources of UV, it's still the primary one. Well I guess we should do something about it then huh? Lets destroy it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 June 28, 2004 QuoteWell I guess we should do something about it then huh? Lets destroy it. I think a better idea would be to protect ourselves from it. I'll limit my freedom to walk around without sunscreen under the blazing sun all day. What freedoms should I restrict myself from to protect myself from the Patriot Act? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #45 June 28, 2004 "Proof Bush thinks God said it was the rigth thing to do??? " Ask and ye shall receive. Quote"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." -George W. Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #46 June 28, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat would you blame instead? While one can look for other sources of UV, it's still the primary one. Well I guess we should do something about it then huh? Lets destroy it. Just because you can't do anything about it doesn't mean it isn't the cause. Most meaningful legislation has unintended consequences. You only hope that the gain outweighs it. In this particular case, I'm not seeing them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #47 June 29, 2004 QuoteSomebody call John Stossel!!! That guy ROCKS!! If ever there were an American hero, he's IT! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #48 June 29, 2004 Quotethat's irrelevant. you know... instead of people telling me I shouldn't vote for Kerry, I'd like to see a few reasons why I should vote for Bush. So far, I haven't seen one. The fact that no one has given you reasons to vote for Bush is not a reason to vote for Kerry, either, you know. People told me I should not stick a skewer into my eye. Does that mean I should cut my fingers off with a hatchet? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #49 June 29, 2004 if those are the only two options (with a remote chance to lose a toe)? only one is possibly fatal...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #50 June 29, 2004 Bush and Kerry are the only two real options. The main reason to vote for Kerry is that he isn't Bush. IMO, there's no way Kerry could POSSIBLY screw up as bad as Bush has. Show me where Bush has done something right, and I'll consider revising my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
