rickjump1 0 #26 June 20, 2004 He may not make it back to the White House as VP, but I could imagine him banging on the gates at midnight drunk and disorderly; begging Hillary for a little conjugal visit.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #27 June 20, 2004 QuoteOn cspan this morning discussing his book. What a great speaker. Yeah, a great SPEAKER....Morally corrupt in every other way. The guy could not even smoke pot correctly....Or he lied when he said he didn't inhale. I'll go with him being a liar....As he was shown to also have lied to congress."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #28 June 20, 2004 QuoteThe guy could not even smoke pot correctly....Or he lied when he said he didn't inhale. Did they have fan driven bongs back then? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #29 June 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteOn cspan this morning discussing his book. What a great speaker. Yeah, a great SPEAKER....Morally corrupt in every other way. The guy could not even smoke pot correctly....Or he lied when he said he didn't inhale. I'll go with him being a liar....As he was shown to also have lied to congress. Looking from the outside, I prefer an American President lying about pot and sex instead about matters of war, human rights, international law, the economy etc. I spent quite some time in the US in the 90's and thought it was a very prosperous time with people being happy and optimistic. Really do not understand the Clinton haters. Yes, he is morally corrupt, but to me he seems to have been a good president in matters of importance, i.e. the economy and foreign policy. Ask people in "friendly" nations and ask who they prefer, Bush or Clinton....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #30 June 21, 2004 As much as I hate to agree with benny, I don't follow your statement. I understand that the twelfth states that anyone ineligible to office of President is ineligible to be VP. If you're saying the twenty second amendment has no bearing, how is Clinton ineligible? If you're saying he's ineligible for Pres under the 22nd, and thereby the 12th, well, that wouldn't be getting elected, now would it? I agree with you, it's a silly argument, but a lawyer could easily argue the difference between being eligble for the office and being elected to the office. They're lawyers. Ridiculous is what they do.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #31 June 21, 2004 QuoteI spent quite some time in the US in the 90's and thought it was a very prosperous time with people being happy and optimistic I hvae spent my WHOLE life in the US....And I'd have to say that Clinton had some good policies, but was a snake, and a liar...Not exactly the man I want to represent me to the world. World leaders said he seemed oily. I know people who have met him tell me they got the creeps from him. I am ashamed the US ever elected a draft dogging, cheating, liar to the White House. What did that say about the US as a whole? From OBL's "Letter to America" Quote(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object. Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations? SO I would not say that the world respected him. He was a corrupt man, and I am ashamed he was my CiC."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #32 June 21, 2004 QuoteI am ashamed the US ever elected a draft dogging, cheating, liar to the White House. Yeah, he was the first and last. Then you quote OBL as proof that the world did not respect Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #33 June 21, 2004 ehhh...you're quoting OBL as a character reference for Clinton? Wonder what he has to say about Bush? Wonder what world leaders have to say about Bush? Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #34 June 21, 2004 QuoteThen you quote OBL as proof that the world did not respect Clinton. when the guy who was resposable for the largest terror attack on the US in history uses Clinton by name as one of the reasons we were attacked.... Well, I think it says volumes about Clinton"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #35 June 21, 2004 Quoteehhh...you're quoting OBL as a character reference for Clinton? whe OBL used Clinton by name as an example for how corrupt he saw us...And that OBL planned and funded the largest attack on US soil ever....Yes, I think it says tons about Clinton. QuoteWonder what world leaders have to say about Bush? Would those be the same World Leaders that sKerry claims want him to win, but none have really come forward?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #36 June 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteThen you quote OBL as proof that the world did not respect Clinton. when the guy who was resposable for the largest terror attack on the US in history uses Clinton by name as one of the reasons we were attacked.... Well, I think it says volumes about Clinton Personally, I think it says volumes about OBL. And about you for seemingly agreeing with that statement from that person. QuoteOsama Bin Laden has today issued a statement to the effect that the terrorist attacks on September 11th, 2001 "could have been prevented" if President Bush had responded to warnings given to him by expert advisors. Since OBL is now the authoritative source on the quality of US presidents, what does this say? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #37 June 21, 2004 QuotePersonally, I think it says volumes about OBL. And about you for seemingly agreeing with that statement from that person. What just cause I agree that Clinton was a lying piece of shit makes me a bad person? How about Clinton was a bad person for being a lying piece of shit? And that you seem to be quite dumb not to notice that he was a lying piece of shit. Its not my fault that others also think he was a piece of shit....Other people to include people who are also trash of the world..... But when one piece of trash names by NAME another (BTW only TWO people are listed by name in that document Clinton and Sharron). and he gives Clinton up as an example of how corrupt the US is...since he not only did the act, but we did nothing to him for it.... Well I CAN understand how a religious person might think the US is full of a bunch of lying corrupt people since we elected him, and then did nothing to him when we found out he was a lying cheater Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Osama Bin Laden has today issued a statement to the effect that the terrorist attacks on September 11th, 2001 "could have been prevented" if President Bush had responded to warnings given to him by expert advisors. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since OBL is now the authoritative source on the quality of US presidents, what does this say? Uh it says to me that the attacks were planned under CLINTON...And that if CLINTON had delt with the issue and not just ignored it it would also not have happened.... But as for OBL saying Bush could have stopped it...Well, thats what frightened people do when they want a change. OBL does not want Bush to continue hunting for his head....He would rather have Clinton in power ignoring him so he can plan another large attack. Im done here... Clinton was and is a lying piece of shit. And I am ashamed we ever elected him...It said VOLUMES about the US's lack of morals."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #38 June 21, 2004 I never disputed that Clinton was a liar. I just find it interesting that you use the rationale of a madman to support that position. As far as the morality of the country, I find it much more morally repugnant to elect someone who sends people to kill and be killed needlessly then someone who gets a blow job. How many blow jobs have you gotten from someone you weren't married to? How many people did you send to war? You could probably relate to Clinton a lot more than Bush in the morals department. And if you want to continue the morals argument, I think it says volumes about the priorities in this country when a convicted criminal is elected to the White House. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #39 June 21, 2004 And who says it was ever a priority to have elect a morally superior president? Throughout history we've elected great decision makers who were 'colorful' in their private lives. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #40 June 21, 2004 QuoteI never disputed that Clinton was a liar You sure defend him a lot. QuoteI just find it interesting that you use the rationale of a madman to support that position. A Madman that used Clinton by name as a reason to attack the US. QuoteHow many blow jobs have you gotten from someone you weren't married to? Just this weekend, or total? QuoteHow many people did you send to war? None, but if I was the President I would have done close to the same, rather than ignore it like Clinton did. QuoteAnd if you want to continue the morals argument, I think it says volumes about the priorities in this country when a convicted criminal is elected to the White House. I think it says volumes about us when we have a guy lie under oath and commit perjury and we do nothing to him. As for a DUI 20 + years ago...I don't care. I'd rather have a guy that is telling the truth NOW that had a DUI than Clinton who lies today. And if you have an issue with a DUI...Tlak to Kennedy. I'm done here its clear you would rather live with your head in the sand."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #41 June 21, 2004 You two crack me up. That is the funniest non-argument I have ever heard. Tuna – you really need to actually read the question Benny is putting. Benny, try putting it in other words for Tuna and isolate the issue so he can’t miss it. Tuna, try this version of the same question you’ve been asked a dozen times: Why does the 12th amendment make BC ineligible for VP? Try answering without reference to the 22nd amendment and without simply stating that he is ineligible because you say so, or because of someone else’s opinion. You appear to be of the view that it is the 12th amendment that makes BC ineligible… precisely what about the 12th makes him so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #42 June 21, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I never disputed that Clinton was a liar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You sure defend him a lot. I have no great love for Clinton. I just don't understand why the republicans made the issue of him getting a blow job that central point of his administration. And as far as nothing happening to him, I seem to recall an impeachment. QuoteA Madman that used Clinton by name as a reason to attack the US. Are you agreeing with OBL that Clinton getting a blow job was a legitimate reason for 9/11? If not, then why would you even use that as an argument. Do you actually believe that was the reason for the attack? Talk about head in the sand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #43 June 21, 2004 Personally, I think blowjobs are an excellent idea. I think everyone should have them readily available. I don't really even worry that he cheated on his wife. However, he exposed himself to an employee (Paula Jones) with the expectation of sex. Sexual harrassment of an employee is against the law. He lied about it under oath. He lied about so many things, but lying (he admitted it about ML) under oath is perjury and perjury is against the law. His continual lying and law-breaking is the part that I don't like. As far as terrorism policies, if he had done anything about it initially in '93, the WTC would still be standing. His foreign policy sucked, his military policies sucked. We all suffer for it today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #44 June 21, 2004 Personally, I think blowjobs are an excellent idea. I think everyone should have them readily available. I don't really even worry that he cheated on his wife. However, he exposed himself to an employee (Paula Jones) with the expectation of sex. Sexual harrassment of an employee is against the law. He lied about it under oath. He lied about so many things, but lying (he admitted it about ML) under oath is perjury and perjury is against the law. His continual lying and law-breaking is the part that I don't like. If there is anyone who would like to defend his lying under oath, speak up. As far as terrorism policies, if he had done anything about it initially in '93, the WTC would still be standing. His foreign policy sucked, his military policies sucked. WTC '93 bombing, Somalia... We all suffer for it today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #45 June 21, 2004 QuoteI have no great love for Clinton. I just don't understand why the republicans made the issue of him getting a blow job that central point of his administration. And as far as nothing happening to him, I seem to recall an impeachment. My issue is not him getting a BJ....It is him lying about it to his wife, the American people, and the courts while under oath about it. As for his impeachment....Nothing came of it did it? No fine, no jail time, he was not removed from office. Not one bit of punishment for a guy that commited perjury while acting as President. THATS my issue. He lied and got away scott free. That makes the US look bad. QuoteAre you agreeing with OBL that Clinton getting a blow job was a legitimate reason for 9/11? No and for you to even say that is stupid. It DOES show that that the President cared so little for the image of his office. And that he was a corrupt person. For some reason we elected him, didn't punish him when we found out, and some people like you still defend his actions. THAT shows us in a bad light. Quote Do you actually believe that was the reason for the attack? No, but it was funny that OBL used Clinton as an example of how corrupt the US is...And you defending his actions just goes to show how corrupt we really are....Talk about someone with his head in the sand... Clinton as the leader of the US was corrupt...We didn't punish him for being corrupt and LYING about it to all of us...And yet you still defend him.... Thats says TONS about our morals in America. I a done here....Enjoy life with your head in the sand."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #46 June 21, 2004 Whatever....man, people are really uptight about this shit. Clinton lied about a blow job. If that's the worst thing you can find to say about someone, than yes, it does say a lot about how corrupt we are. And once again....let me say it slowly so it sinks in. I am NOT, that's N O T, defending him. What he did was wrong. I just don't understand why you and others like you are so upset about it. If he had lied about selling arms to Iran to finance the Contras, I guess you'd be singing his praises for a week after he died. Talk about a double standard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #47 June 21, 2004 QuoteWhat a great speaker Just wondering, what was "refreshing" about it? The parts I watched: He blamed the White Water hearings on the vast right-wing conspiracy. He said that after the Berlin Wall came down, the right wing had no target so they came after him. He apologized for whatever had been proven and painted himself as a victim for any unproven items. I see no spots changing on that leopard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #48 June 21, 2004 QuoteWhat he did was wrong. I just don't understand why you and others like you are so upset about it. He repeated lied. He broke many laws. He made really poor foreign policy decisions. Putting aside any issues of sexual morality issues or marital fidelity, he was just a poor president. He weakened the country. As you said, "What he did was wrong". If you don't understand why people get upset about politicians doing wrong, I don't know what to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #49 June 21, 2004 QuoteWhatever....man, people are really uptight about this shit. Clinton lied about a blow job. If that's the worst thing you can find to say about someone, than yes, it does say a lot about how corrupt we are. He lied about Paula Jones as well. Commited sexual harrassment...ect...ect.... You think that sex was the only thing he lied about? Or was it the only thing we found out about? QuoteAnd once again....let me say it slowly so it sinks in. I am NOT, that's N O T, defending him. What he did was wrong. I just don't understand why you and others like you are so upset about it. OK...How about the man that is supposed to lead and represent the country is proven to be a cheater and a liar....And we did nothing about it and people like you don't see it as a big deal... And you wonder why some religious freak thinks we are a corrupt nation? QuoteIf he had lied about selling arms to Iran to finance the Contras, I guess you'd be singing his praises for a week after he died. Talk about a double standard. In one a political game was played to try and win a bigger battle (and it worked). The other a sleezy guy lied to try and hide is slimeball ways to protect his own interests... I see a big diffence between the two."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #50 June 21, 2004 IMO Clinton has been the best thing to happen to the Republican Party in the last 100 years. Think about it. He was instumental in the Republicans being voted in as the majority in the Senate and the House because of his and Hillarys failed socialized medicine plan. Had he resigned as President instead of being the narcissist he is, Al Gore would have succeeded him as President and would have run against GWB as an incumbent and Al Gore would most likely have been re-elected. Of course then, the Lefties would be defending Al Gore for going into Iraq. Thank you Bill Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
