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>The point of disagreement is whether US purchases of oil will have
> the desired effect. I say it won't because they will just by them with
> oil money from the Chinese.

The Chinese will indeed buy oil from the Middle East if we don't, but they will not buy as much. Their demand is lower and they just don't have enough money (yet.) The Saudi Arabians won't starve, they will just be able to afford fewer RPG's. And when the chinese do have the money to replace us? The arabs will find someone new to hate, someone who gives them billions but is even more adamantly non-Islamic than we are. Will arab terrorists stop hating us immediately? No. Will everyone in Jordan stop hating us? Again, no. But there will come a day when Middle Eastern rallies denounce China rather than burn US flags, and the people who hate the US will be a rabble of disorganized malcontents instead of a ten thousand strong organization willing to die to infiltrate the US and kill thousands of americans. And that will be a good day for the USA.

All the more reason to start drilling in ANWAR immediately.

[billvon 3,118]

>All the more reason to start drilling in ANWAR immediately.

What's the use in drilling ANWR if we end up more dependent on foreign oil?

If we pass a law that says we fully exploit ANWR, and at the same time end imports, I'd vote for it. If we vote to drill and do not stop our ramp-up of oil usage, we will end up with empty Alaska reserves and a GREATER dependence on ME oil - and we will be worse off than we were before.

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>All the more reason to start drilling in ANWAR immediately.

What's the use in drilling ANWR if we end up more dependent on foreign oil?

If we pass a law that says we fully exploit ANWR, and at the same time end imports, I'd vote for it. If we vote to drill and do not stop our ramp-up of oil usage, we will end up with empty Alaska reserves and a GREATER dependence on ME oil - and we will be worse off than we were before.

I'd vote for it under those terms too but not because I believe it will reduce terrorism. Our foreign interests are much more extensive and complicated that just oil. I also believe we have been procrastinating the inevitable sacrifice of developing alterative energy sources. The main political motivation is going to be demand from the voters to do this. If any greater good can become of this war in Iraq, this could be it. One thing I believe sets the US apart from any other country in the world is that we "can" do it if we set our minds to the task. I don't mean we don't need the help from other countries, but we have the ability to take a leadership role in developing new technologies.

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Unfortunately you forget that bureaucracy/socialism/lawsuits/growing government kill the entrepreneurial spirit like nothing else.

To get things going, we need vast grass roots demand, and government backing.

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[nacmacfeegle 0]

"To get things going, we need vast grass roots demand, and government backing."

Yay! also about ten years to make it happen (an approximate lifecycle for cars in circulation right now), it won't happen overnight, so lets be realistic over the timescale for this sort of thing.
But yeah, hell yeah...

"Our foreign interests are much more extensive and complicated that just oil.
I also believe we have been procrastinating the inevitable sacrifice of developing alterative energy sources.
The main political motivation is going to be demand from the voters to do this.
If any greater good can become of this war in Iraq, this could be it.
One thing I believe sets the US apart from any other country in the world is that we "can" do it if we set our minds to the task.
I don't mean we don't need the help from other countries, but we have the ability to take a leadership role in developing new technologies.

There's hope for the world yet guys.

For what its worth, oil drilling and production CAN be safely conducted in remote, environmentally sensitive locations, its just hellacious expensive. I've worked on zero emissions drilling projects in various locations, for example.

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[kallend 2,148]

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Unfortunately you forget that bureaucracy/socialism/lawsuits/growing government kill the entrepreneurial spirit like nothing else.

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Have you, perchance, noticed the remarkable growth in government and government spending during the past 4 years?

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