Russia warned USA of Terror attacks from Iraq post 9/11.

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This penchant for ignoring all facets of foreign policy that Bush-bashers have is quite funny.

The counter-insurgency ops in both Afghanistan and Iraq will continue for years. Bush decided not to wait because he - unlike Daschle, sKerry, et al - understands that any viable target should be attacked and eliminated. He chose to do so at a time that is arguable, but the need of its elimination is not. Given the vast sums of $$ Russki and French and German companies were receiving in violation of imposed sanctions, they NEVER would have agreed. That is so blatantly obvious that it's sickening this focus of argument is even considered by the left. A true testament of the failure of the public school system (thank you NEA).

This little dream-world (reinforced by the unbiased [sic] media) lefties are living in is quite funny. In it, Afghanistan is lost, Iraq is a complete disaster, Abu Ghraib abuses by a select few American idiots equates to the torture done their under Hussein, and all military operations take place without perturbation, casualty, or incident. If it weren't so disgustingly naive it would be quite amusing.

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This little dream-world (reinforced by the unbiased [sic] media) lefties are living in is quite funny. In it, Afghanistan is lost, Iraq is a complete disaster, Abu Ghraib abuses by a select few American idiots equates to the torture done their under Hussein, and all military operations take place without perturbation, casualty, or incident. If it weren't so disgustingly naive it would be quite amusing.

Oh my god, I have to agree with you. People blow things out of proportion and make their claims and beliefs less credible. It happens on both sides. And I'm not agreeing with your claim of media slant. Just your perception of it. You see left slant when you see stories like what you posted. I see right slant when I see stories about proof of WMD stockpiles and that Iraqis are universally glad we are there.


For a balanced perspective from the left.

Afghanistan is not lost. But, Afghanistan could be much more secure, more AQ could be rounded up, and more Taliban wiped out if we had concentrated our efforts there.

Iraq is not a complete disaster. However, we have created an atmosphere much more conducive to terrorist operations then before. And it would be a lot better off if we had commited the amount of troops recommended by the Joint Chiefs, instead of half that number, tried harder and longer for world support. Even if we didn't get it, it would have been better politically.

Abu Ghraib is not as bad as it was under SH. But the evidence is emerging that it was more than a few idiots. That it was in fact the policy of the administration. And was in fact, reprehenisble. Even if it gets around international law through loopholes, it doesn't mean it was the right or moral thing to do.

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"I would say that just about sums it up fairly."

Phew, no hard feelings then, its too early in the week to be falling out over words.

"If I were in Washington D.C. where guns are illegal and needed to use one to protect my life, I would do so and then deal with the consequences of its' legality later. "

I'm not sure thats a good analogy for this case.
For example...
Would you 'load up on guns and bring your friends' on a roadtrip to Washington specifically to root out and kill would be muggers, or potential burglars, without the support from the legitimate law enforcement agency?

I don't think thats a good analogy You are assuming I'm coming to D.C. looking for a fight. I know thats a poplular belief, but I reject it I think as more information about the events leading up to the Iraqi war come out, that this will become more anecdotal than factual.

Hey, Bill Clinton agrees with me too. What more proof do you need.

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"Clinton said he would not have undertaken the war until after U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix "finished his job."


This is my point, almost exactly.
"he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for."

I also reckon Bush actually believed, or wanted to believe this, he was either misled, or manipulated into the invasion. Or the whole thing was personal, which to me is really alarming.

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Yep, like I said, bad analogy.
"I know thats a poplular belief, but I reject it I think as more information about the events leading up to the Iraqi war come out, that this will become more anecdotal than factual."

Soon would be good, we can put all this to bed, and get back to RSLs etc.

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Was Iraq the most prolific terrorist state and did the largest threat to the US of a terrorist attack come from Iraq or somewhere else?

This is a very poorly thought out statement. It's like going into court and proclaiming your innocence to speeding because others were going faster and the cop pulled you over instead of them. Good luck with that one.

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Hence the symbol knows as the "question mark". This wasn't a statement, or an argument. It was a question. I'm interested if people believe that or not.

As to your analogy, it's not about punishing the guilty, it's about protecting the US. Was Iraq the biggest threat or were their other threats more serious?

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As to your analogy, it's not about punishing the guilty, it's about protecting the US. Was Iraq the biggest threat or were their other threats more serious?

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Was Iraq the most prolific terrorist state and did the largest threat to the US of a terrorist attack come from Iraq or somewhere else?

Only left wing fanatics refuse to comprehend this. I will say it again since you've missed the boat yet again on your logic.

We invaded Iraq as a pre-emptive measure so 9/11 doesn't happen again. They were in the process of planning terrorist acts against the US as verified by the Soviet Union.

Only left wing liberal sheep and the media seem to not comprehend this. It is funny watching you continue to twist words and stand in the dark. Keep going. I need some laughs today.

Forty-two

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Thanks for yet another insulting, outlandish, useless post. Why don't you post some more mis-information and lies and then refuse to follow up with links to your sources oh mighty one who knows everything about everything.

Most people on here are able to have civil discussions debating their opinions. You seem to be the only one who is convinced you have every answer about everything and that your opinions are fact. What's it like to be omnipotent and incapable of making a mistake?

This is my last response to anything you ever post. I can't decide if you're a troll or really that egotistical, rude and obnoxious.

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Thanks for yet another insulting, outlandish, useless post. Why don't you post some more mis-information and lies and then refuse to follow up with links to your sources oh mighty one who knows everything about everything.

Most people on here are able to have civil discussions debating their opinions. You seem to be the only one who is convinced you have every answer about everything and that your opinions are fact. What's it like to be omnipotent and incapable of making a mistake?

This is my last response to anything you ever post. I can't decide if you're a troll or really that egotistical, rude and obnoxious.

And most of us can have discussions without personal attacks. Apparently you can't. I admit I get a little irritable some times, but your statements above are inexcusable. People have been banned for less.

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Yep, nothing in his post was attacking me I guess

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Yep, nothing in his post was attacking me I guess

I don't think a childish attitude of "he did it first" is an excuse.

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But Clinton did it

[TheAnvil 0]

Dude, you're going to piss off billvon with those comments. You are only allowed to talk that way about ME in these forums!

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[PhillyKev 0]

Same goes for Anvil