"Under God...." leave it in or take it out

[billvon 3,120]

>The way I heard it, the Puritans wanted to impose their beliefs on everyone
> else, so they were invited to leave by those who didn't want to do things
>the Puritan way.

In a way. There was definitely friction between them and the Church of England; I'll bet people were relieved when they left.

>150 years earlier and they'd have been burned at the stake.

And 100 years later, they'd be burning people at the stake.

[shropshire 0]

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This country was founded upon Christian beliefs long ago

Lets at least have a bit more honesty here.... your country was Stolen from the indigenous peoples by Cristians (as they stole countries and resources from many other nations! ... one might even argue... that the process in still continuing)

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[pajarito 0]

God is dead.

So you acknowledge his existence at one time?

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Lets at least have a bit more honesty here.... your country was Stolen from the indigenous peoples by Cristians

You've got a point.

[Mirage63 0]

Typical.

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Apathy seems to be the main point here.

[PhillyKev 0]

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God is dead.

So you acknowledge his existence at one time?

I acknowledge that some force was responsible for the initial creation of existence. My best guess is the big bang. Whatever that force was no longer exists and is therefore dead. It was a moment in time that has passed. I do not acknowledge the existence of an omniscient being that deliberately created life or humans or has any interest in or concept of what some insignificant life form on an insignificant planet in an insignificant part or an insignificant galaxy. My ego is not that big to believe that some all powerful creator of the universe would give a flying fuck.

[dbattman 0]

I've always understood the founding of the US to be based in personal property rights.

I'm just a little curious- what is a 'Christian belief?' Christian beliefs can also be Muslim beliefs and Sematic beliefs. I prefer the gospel according to Bill and Ted, myself.

[pajarito 0]

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God is dead.

So you acknowledge his existence at one time?

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I acknowledge that some force was responsible for the initial creation of existence. My best guess is the big bang. Whatever that force was no longer exists and is therefore dead. It was a moment in time that has passed. I do not acknowledge the existence of an omniscient being that deliberately created life or humans or has any interest in or concept of what some insignificant life form on an insignificant planet in an insignificant part or an insignificant galaxy. My ego is not that big to believe that some all powerful creator of the universe would give a flying fuck.

1. Why would the force that created the universe be dead now? Do you think it always alive prior to the initiation of “The Big Bang” or had it previously died and came back to life just for that event and died immediately following?
2. Do you believe that time began at the point of “The Big Bang” or do you think it might have extended into the negative (from our linear point of view)?
3. Do you believe the “expanding universe” theory and do you think the universe will eventually collapse on itself. If so, do you think that “force” will resurrect itself again in order to create another “Big Bang?”
4. Do you think there might be a dimension/force/existence that exists above and apart from our linear time?
5. What do you think about “intelligent design?” Or do you think everything in the universe came about in a completely random manner?

I think you know my ultimate position on this topic, however, I do not discount what means God might have used to accomplish his goal. I believe that he invented time and, therefore could control and alter it if he wished. I believe that there could have been something like the “Big Bang” to initiate the process. I think he could have used elements of evolution for the development of life.

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[pajarito 0]

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I've always understood the founding of the US to be based in personal property rights.

I'm just a little curious- what is a 'Christian belief?' Christian beliefs can also be Muslim beliefs and Sematic beliefs. I prefer the gospel according to Bill and Ted, myself.

And if "Bill & Ted" is the dual nature of your god or gods, "Under God" in the Pledge would work for you too.

[turtlespeed 226]

Time is only the thing that lets us be aware of how much time we have to get geared up.

Time does not exist -

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

> Time is only the thing that lets us be aware of how much time we have to get geared up.

Time exists so everything doesn't happen at once. Space exists so everything doesn't happen to you.

[pajarito 0]

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Time is only the thing that lets us be aware of how much time we have to get geared up.

Time does not exist -

You're kidding...right?

[turtlespeed 226]

"Time" is only the name for how we perceive life.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[PhillyKev 0]

1. When I say that force is dead, I am not acknowleging that it was a living entity, just that it no longer exists. It's the relationship between the potential energy of a boulder at the top of a hill and the kinetic energy when it starts rolling. Once it starts rolling the potential energy is dead.

2. Time is a measurement of perception. It is based on how long it takes light to travel. Therefore, there is no beginning or ending of time, there is only the beginning or ending of perception.

3. Don't know, heard equally convincing evidence both ways. If it did collapse, then yes there would be a renewed presence of potential energy.

4. Like in 2, yes, I do. We perceive time. Gold fish, don't. To a gold fish right now could be just before, just after, a year from now, or a year ago from the moment before.

5. No intelligent design. Chaos theory.

[dbattman 0]

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I've always understood the founding of the US to be based in personal property rights.

I'm just a little curious- what is a 'Christian belief?' Christian beliefs can also be Muslim beliefs and Sematic beliefs. I prefer the gospel according to Bill and Ted, myself.

And if "Bill & Ted" is the dual nature of your god or gods, "Under God" in the Pledge would work for you too.

Be excellent to each other! :)

[pajarito 0]

Be excellent to each other under God!

[pajarito 0]

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1. When I say that force is dead, I am not acknowleging that it was a living entity, just that it no longer exists. It's the relationship between the potential energy of a boulder at the top of a hill and the kinetic energy when it starts rolling. Once it starts rolling the potential energy is dead.

What would push that boulder off the hill in the first place for it to convert its potential to kinetic energy? If the universe eventually collapses in on itself and all that potential energy is built back up, what’s going to initiate the process again if the “force” is now dead? Something’s got to start the engine.

[Kennedy 0]

Time is a fallacy based on human perception. there is no river of time, or flow of time, or time travel. Time is a name we give something that doesn't exist.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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If the universe eventually collapses in on itself and all that potential energy is built back up, what’s going to initiate the process again if the “force” is now dead?

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it just changes form. The existing kinetic energy of the expanding universe will once again be potential energy that will then be transformed into another big bang.

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Hamsters eat carrots.

[PhillyKev 0]

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Hamsters eat carrots.

See...now you get it. The carrot is potential energy. The hamster running around on that wheel endlessly is kinetic.

God is a carrot, we killed and ate him, and now we are hampsters running on the wheel to nowhere.

Oh yeah, and there is no spoon.

[pajarito 0]

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Hamsters eat carrots.

Dude...you kill me.
I'll bet they like that crispy lettuce too.

[pajarito 0]

I guess "whatever keeps your hampster wheel turning."

[billvon 3,120]

> Hamsters eat carrots.

My cat's breath smells like cat food!