Mirage63 0 #1 June 14, 2004 No comments needed, just vote if you want to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #2 June 15, 2004 No comments? I wanted to ask you where the option, "Take it the fuck out!" was... edited: Actually, the option should be "take it BACK the fuck out and leave the pledge like it was ORIGINALLY, BEFORE the religious zealots got their hands on it!" --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #3 June 15, 2004 and take it off money too! no "God" on my visa! ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #4 June 15, 2004 Quoteand take it off money too! no "God" on my visa! Especially since money is the one thing that puts people the furthest from "god" of all. I can't understand why the religious would want "god" on money! It's like blotting the blood from an abortion with bible pages. Why would they want god associated with money?! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #5 June 15, 2004 God has always been associated with "money" or the benefits of your work, whatever that may be. He is the giver of your life and talents that you use to be able to make a living and take care of your family in the first place so, therefore, it's written that you should give back to him 10 percent. That 10 percent goes to building/maintaining the church and provides a resource for missions and charity among other things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mirage63 0 #6 June 15, 2004 "No comments? I wanted to ask you where the option, "Take it the fuck out!" was... " Mainly cause the fellow on the other side will eventually post the option: "Leave it the fuck in...." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #7 June 15, 2004 Also, it's not money that's evil. It's the love of money above God. Idolotry can take many forms. That just happens to be one of the most common. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 June 15, 2004 Quoteedited: Actually, the option should be "take it BACK the fuck out and leave the pledge like it was ORIGINALLY, BEFORE the religious zealots got their hands on it!" Exact-o-mundo.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #9 June 15, 2004 I can understand and agree with many who hold the position that less rather than more specific reference to God from our various govt entities is usually a good idea. However, many use the 'establishment/separation' clause as part of the argument in favor of this postion. I think this is not correct. To argue that the clause supports a strict application of not allowing any reference to God seems to ignore the many ways that the founders placed specific references within our founding documents and other formal institutions. So, argue as you may to remove all reference, but please, don't pretend that the 'establishment/separation' clause supports your position.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #10 June 15, 2004 QuoteI can understand and agree with many who hold the position that less rather than more specific reference to God from our various govt entities is usually a good idea. However, many use the 'establishment/separation' clause as part of the argument in favor of this postion. I think this is not correct. To argue that the clause supports a strict application of not allowing any reference to God seems to ignore the many ways that the founders placed specific references within our founding documents and other formal institutions. So, argue as you may to remove all reference, but please, don't pretend that the 'establishment/separation' clause supports your position. Very good, valid points. This is why, although I am an atheist and don't like religious references in government, I took billvon to task for citing the so-called constitutional separation of church and state, which we must agree is not written there. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damion 0 #11 June 15, 2004 i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, to the republic for which it stood for, one nation on planet earth, indivisible and justice for those who can afford it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #12 June 15, 2004 Ran across this. The author is unknown, but I did find other references to the dates and references on how 'In God We Trust' was put on currency, but this one was the best read. Here's another. This one was actually put together by an educator and it didn't look to biased one way or the other.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 June 15, 2004 Quotetherefore, it's written that you should give back to him 10 percent. I'd be happy to make a cash transaction to him as soon as he introduces himself to me and produces a receipt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #14 June 15, 2004 Quote therefore, it's written that you should give back to him 10 percent... Pre-Tax or After Tax? [/sarcasm] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #15 June 15, 2004 TeHe ..... may be a better way..... take your money and throw it up in the air ..... any HE catches HE can have! The rest is still yours (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #16 June 15, 2004 This country was founded upon Christian beliefs long ago. God has always and will always be a part of everything we do. If you don't like it, pack your bags and move to another country. PS. It's funny how the atheists cry out "Help me God" when they hook one in and their life is in jeopardy.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #17 June 15, 2004 QuoteI'd be happy to make a cash transaction to him as soon as he introduces himself to me and produces a receipt. He's already introduced himself to you. He can't offer you a receipt, however, until a transaction has occured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #18 June 15, 2004 Quote PS. It's funny how the atheists cry out "Help me God" when they hook one in and their life is in jeopardy. They do? Do you have video (or it never happened).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #19 June 15, 2004 "It's funny how the atheists cry out "Help me God" when they hook one in and their life is in jeopardy." I suppose its never too late to repent.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #20 June 15, 2004 QuoteThey do? Do you have video (or it never happened). It's weird hearing an Engineer and Physicist say that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #21 June 15, 2004 This country was founded by a religiously fairly homogeneous group; their assumption was that the world was as they saw it, and therefore people were generally like them. In the ways that they understood people to be different, they tried to make it clear that those differences should be respected. But I'll bet that the vast majority never saw a Muslim or a Jew who was integrated into society, and the thought of someone not believing in God was similar to believing in airplanes. Their world view was more limited than ours because of slower communication and lack of transportation. Limiting our own world view deliberately is one thing; expecting others to hie to that same world view is another. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #22 June 15, 2004 > This country was founded upon Christian beliefs long ago. It was founded by Christians, not Christian beliefs. There is no reference to Christianity in our founding documents, merely references to god. >If you don't like it, pack your bags and move to another country. A group of people did that around 400 years ago, to escape a government that tried to impose religious beliefs on a group of people. The result was the United States of America. Odd that you'd claim that people who dislike mandated religious worship should leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #23 June 15, 2004 Quote> This country was founded upon Christian beliefs long ago. It was founded by Christians, not Christian beliefs. There is no reference to Christianity in our founding documents, merely references to god. >If you don't like it, pack your bags and move to another country. A group of people did that around 400 years ago, to escape a government that tried to impose religious beliefs on a group of people. The result was the United States of America. Odd that you'd claim that people who dislike mandated religious worship should leave. The way I heard it, the Puritans wanted to impose their beliefs on everyone else, so they were invited to leave by those who didn't want to do things the Puritan way. They were lucky the folks they left behind were so open minded - 150 years earlier and they'd have been burned at the stake. There was more religious freedom in 17th Century Britain than in the Massachussetts Bay Colony - which is one reason that Roger Williams founded Rhode Island. www.state.ri.us/rihist/earlyh.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #24 June 15, 2004 QuotePS. It's funny how the atheists cry out "Help me God" when they hook one in and their life is in jeopardy. Hmmm... I've never seen that happen... Not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never seen it (and I know a few atheists, at least one of which I've seen hook one in - unfortunately)... And I've certainly never cried to "God" when my life has been in jeopardy. To me, that would be about as useful as calling for help from the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #25 June 15, 2004 QuoteThis country was founded upon Christian beliefs long ago. God has always and will always be a part of everything we do. If you don't like it, pack your bags and move to another country. PS. It's funny how the atheists cry out "Help me God" when they hook one in and their life is in jeopardy. Actually it was founded on Free Masonry beliefs more than Christian. Notice what's next to "In God We Trust", an unfinished pyramid with the eye of providence. And a couple of latin phrases Annuit Coeptis "Providence has Favored Our Undertakings" Novus Ordo Seclorum "A New Order of the Ages" No where is Christianity mentioned, god is, but so is occultism. QuoteGod has always and will always be a part of everything we do. If you don't like it, pack your bags and move to another country. God is dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
