Ever been threatened with death?

[lawrocket 3]

Trust me, guys. I know the legal stuff. Right now, I care exactly jack and shit about what legal procedures I can use on that cat. Hell, I've spent the last three Tuesdays in court DEFENDING dudes with TRO's against them - trying to get the restraining orders lifted.

I just want some damned peace of mind for my wife. Most of the suggestions have been great. She's scared, I'm not. She's not used to it and I could care less about nut jobs.

When I get my shotgun, maybe I'll post a thread about it that'll get moved to Speakers' Corner.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Deuce 1]

Dude, I've been married about 20 years.

Don't tell her about shit like this. Handle it.

Some communication is overatted.

Honest. Defend her. But don't tell her about ALL the battles.

Trust in love.

[tandembrent 0]

never take any threat lightly! things could turn bad fast.

about the gun, try getting training first, please!!!!

if you are going to get one for home and personal defense i recomend getting a 357 magnum revolver, shot guns are very unweildy in a home setting and usually end up in the closet. if the time ever came to really need a gun in the home you are not going to want to deal with finding the safety or pulling it out from behind all that crap that is in everyones closet.

get a dog instead, they are something the whole family can use and they will willingly give their life in YOUR defense!!

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[RkyMtnHigh 0]

Over the past 20 yrs, I've been like a cat with 9 lives...so I suppose there's a reason I'm still here

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[lawrocket 3]

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Dude, I've been married about 20 years.

Don't tell her about shit like this. Handle it.

Some communication is overatted.

Honest. Defend her. But don't tell her about ALL the battles.

Trust in love.

Dude. It's her battle. We work together, and she told me about the threats. So she's a bit concerned. I'm not. I'm like you. The bastard would have done it if he meant it.

I've tried to alleviate her concern. A tough thing to do. Honestly, if it were just me, she wouldn't know a thing about it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[ManBird 0]

Get a sword. Swords are rad. My brother stabbed a guy in the abdomen with a sword once -- in self defense against a man with a handgun. I just think stabbing would be so much more gratifying. With a gun, it's all visual, but with a sword, you can feel the blade doing damage. I vote giant blade -- though for personal home protection, I have a heavy, spiked flail.

"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯"

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[loudawg 0]

I threatened myself with death on accident a few years ago. I was extremely stupid. I took a friend from high school flying for his first time in a private plane. The clouds were kinda low (about a 2,500 foot ceiling), but I still wanted to show him a good time, so I decided to put the plane into an aggressive stall just under the clouds. I will swear over and over that everything was perfectly centered, and that I had that plane perfectly neutral, but it went over into a nice spin. Well, I've never been in a spin without my instructor. I couldn't believe how instinctlively I pulled the throttle and slammed that opposite rudder, while holding a little bit of down pressure. I could immediately see the textbook diagrams in my head. I neutralized the spin pretty quickly, but I think I tried recovering too fast and ended up putting it into a secondary stall. I was more gentle the second time around, and eased it back into level flight only to see the roofs of houses only maybe 500 feet or so below me.....that was NOT cool. To make things even worse, I knew that the ground in that area was at around 1,200 feet MSL, so I really had only 1,000 feet or so of elevation doing these maneuvers. I didn't think about it at the time, but I knew.

Well, luckily, my friend thought this was all part of the plan and was laughing his head off while we were plummeting toward the ground. LoL. Anyway, maybe this wasn't quite the same kind of "threat" that this thread was intended for, but hey, it was an interesting story nonetheless.

Oh, and don't ever get into a Zenith. The biggest POS airplane you'll ever fly. I also found out after I landed that the certifications for spins on the plane was revoked 2 weeks prior to this incident. Makes me feel a LITTLE bit better about myself, even though when it all comes down to it, I am completely at fault and I made one dumbass decision. Oh well, I cheated death once again.

[TomAiello 26]

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...for personal home protection, I have a heavy, spiked flail.

Dude. That's rad.

-- Tom Aiello

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[nightjumps 1]

I really hate that people's first insinct is to run out and purchase a weapon in these types of situations.

Usually, buying a weapon and not getting IN-DEPTH weapons training is a bad thing. You will be trained on how to use the weapon, but you won't be trained on how to use it in certain situations.

OK. So you run out, get a gun, get trained, and someone breaks in. What's your plan? Will it be loaded, unloaded (you have child), how fast can you load it, what rooms does everyone sleep in, what's the plan if there's a breakin in this room, that room, etc. What if he breaks in the child's room first, what's your plan, go looking? What's her plan if you're home, if you're not. If it's just your wife and her?

If your wife's fully trained and you're not there, what's the plan. What's the plan if you are there. What if they are in separate rooms when this occurs, the same room. How far to the weapon, is it between her and the intruder, then what? Is the intruder between her and the child and she has the weapon, then what?

I can't tell you how many folks ask me what type of weapon to buy and to train them, I decline. If you're willing to go through my entire training program, then we'll talk. But, just to buy a gun and learn to shoot is about ten percent of the plan.

If you REALLY feel this is necessary, contact a retired police, fed, SF, Ranger or something. Have them come to your house and do a full assessment of your floor plan, where everyone is at times during the day. Have them have you try several different weapons to see which one you and the missus are most comfortable with, can reload, can count the number of shots, can feel safe having in the house with a child present. Assist in getting both adults a concealed carry permit, one adult with the child at all times, have one on you and similar weapons placed strategically through the house. Have similiar ammo and magazines of the weapons you're carrying placed strategically through the house.

Have you ever tried to reload a revolver or shotgun while under intense threat while the adrenaline is flowing? If you choose a revolver and you drop a round while reloading under the intensity of threat, what do you do?

Please. Make a plan. Don't just run out and buy something. Finally, you have to practice your plans on a regular basis - i.e., bi-weekly, monthly. You have to shoot weekly. You ready for this kind of commitment?

[NoShitThereIWas 0]

Sometimes being a lawyer can be a dangerous job. I have heard of a couple occasions when family law attorneys have either been shot in court or threatened or injured. When you think about it, attorneys are responsible for people's money, home, children, family, etc. These are the cores of people's existence.

Depending on how the threats were made, I would definitely report it to the authorities although they are not likely to do much about it or take it too seriously. If you can own a gun I always believe in that and if anything continues, I would seek a restraining order and have them served to not contact or come within a certain proximity to you or your family.

There are too many crazies out there. I would be prepared to protect my family. Good luck!

Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires."

Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

[tandembrent 0]

very well put, and i do agree with everything you wrote!

a person must have the proper training and also have the absolute resolve to use the weapon or else it will probably end up being taken from them and used against them or their family!

and by the way, i am ranger qualified and served in the 10th psecial forces group!

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~~~~Green grass and high clouds forever~~~~
no matter where you go, there you are!

[AggieDave 6]

VERY well put Bigun!

That's why I recommended those three different places to learn how to do those things, but once again, you're able to voice it in a much more defined manner.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[freeflir29 0]

Whoa.....professional mode here. OK....without a detailed risk asessment and some threat intel I.E. the scum bags history it's impossible to tell much about the risk from here. It could be next to nothing......you might be in great danger. I'd say if the guy said he would "Put a hit out" he's most likely full of shit. Some people watch too many movies. Threat mitigation options.........Buying a weapon. Great for you....you were in the Army and I'm sure with a bit of practice you'd be competent. For her.......I don't know her. Would she be willing to carry and use a firearm. I work with women all the time. Most of them shoot well and I have every confidence that they do what needed to be done. I have known others that I wouldn't give a can of pepper spray to. Either way......there's a LONG list of pro's and cons. One of the biggest is that you live in California. Do you have or can you get a concealed carry permit. The home defense gun is good......but the facts are that MOST attacks of this nature happen outside the home. Most likely going to or from work. The other option...........hire an Executive Protection Professional. One word....EXPENSIVE. Probably at least a couple hundred per day minimum. A decent option is having them do a targeted as well as general risk asessment for you. Probably cost around $500-1000. A pro will come in and analyze your entire daily life plus investigate the scumbag for you. I bet you would learn A LOT about keeping yourself and family safer every day. Remember.......the pro's can teach you to do what they do I.E. Avoid the confrontation so a shoot out never happens. Also.....if you have them take a look at Mr. Shithead they may go interview him. Many times that is more than enough to make him realize he has made a mistake. Anyway.....I used to do this sort of thing for a living. PM me with any specific questions or I can recommend a reputable EP firm in your area.

[tbrown 26]

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Sometimes being a lawyer can be a dangerous job.

A lawyer friend of mine in Seattle was killed in his home fourteen years ago. The case has never been solved, but the two leading suspects were a disgruntled client and a former partner. The cops think the weapon is lying somewhere at the bottom of Puget Sound because whoever it was probably tossed if off a ferry right away.


Don't be paranoid, but take some real steps at armed defense, get a dog, and otherwise grind the bastard's life to dust in court. I'm so sorry to hear about this, especially after having just met you at Perris last month. I'd do it for my family and you'll do it for yours.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[Zennie 0]

I have a loaded Remington 1100 and Taurus 9mm right behind my head. Bad idea to bust into my bedroom. Especially since we have a dog to give us advance notice.

Most threats are idle, but I subscribe to the "better to have a gun and not need one, than to need a gun and not have one" theory.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Please. Make a plan. Don't just run out and buy something. Finally, you have to practice your plans on a regular basis - i.e., bi-weekly, monthly. You have to shoot weekly. You ready for this kind of commitment?

You make a large number of good points, but I think I disagree with the overall thesis -- the reason being that your argument seems to be, "If you won't/can't agree to this commitment, you should not get a gun for defense."

I think that the alternative would be to find yourself defenseless in a time of great (overwhelming) need.

I think -- and maybe I'm naive and maybe I'm not -- that most people who own guns do not put themselves through this kind of military-level preparedness training, and when the shit hits the fan, a good number of them are actually still able to bring a gun to bear in adequate self defense and save their own lives as well as those of others. I'm thinking of the half-dozen or so reports that appear in "The Armed Citizen" every month in the NRA's magazines. I think you are overblowing the urgency of becoming some sort of tactical elite dude when all that may be necessary, in all likelihood, are a couple of shots at relatively close range. Much of this stuff just has to be intuitive, for a person who has a decent understanding ofhow to operate his gun. I personally would not dissuade someone from getting a gun for home defense just because that person won't be going to Thunder Ranch for weeks at a time. I myself do not shoot weekly, or even monthly, but I carry a Glock 27 for defense and I know that when I take it out I know how to use it adequately, even if it's been months since I've been to the range. That doesn't leave you.

All that said, I see nothing wrong with getting the training you speak of; just that I don't agree with the premise of "don't get a gun unless you get such training.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Damion 0]

you never know these days, becareful.

sarcastic advice: take him skydiving and give him a base rig to jump with a step through. :)

[Casurf1978 0]

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Ever been threatened with death?

Does it count if it was my Mom?

- topher

...you mean like "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it?" Why I've NEVER uttered something that horrible, when the remains of my $45 moisturizer was strewn across my master bathroom, and foot-printed into my bedroom carpet, then smeared into my pillow and all over a brand new treadmill...and the toilet water was sudsy with hair conditioner and body shampoo, and the sink was stopped up with Q-tips and over flowed with hot water that drained the hot water tank and then leaked down into our living room... ...uh, I mean, 'no'.

DAMN, now I know what I put my poor mom through. Though "I brought you into this world and I can take you out" sounds more threatning in Spanish. I know I was in real trouble when she would bust out the native tongue, then I was like "oh shit. this is it, I'm a goner"

But in all seriousness Law, take all the necessary precautions. This guy might be full of hot air, but better err on the side of caution.

[Michele 1]

She's scared, Jer. I can understand that.

Here's what I would do (and partially have done) when faced with a threat of physical harm.

1. Report it to the police. You know the drill...and report it without question or fear. Let the cops do their work. At the very least, they'll approach the bad guy and say "don't be a stupid idiot...".

1a. Report it to opposing counsel. Again, make sure you have the "your client is being a stupid idiot, please stop him" conversation. Note it in your log.

2. Get an alarm system installed in your home/office. Have it have a panic button. This is a good, rapid, comfort for fear. It won't help too much against a determined individual, but it does alleviate the mental issues somewhat. (I got my Dad one when he was threatened, and it made all the difference to him in his head.)

3. Get a big, happy, floppy, family dog. Shepards are good, but make sure they are good with children and are trained. Or get training. Coupled with the alarm system, you've got ample early warning at home.

4. Get a gun, but like Bigun says, make sure you're prepared not just in a plan, but that you can actually take someone's life. Once that mental shift comes, get one which can be speed loaded, or magazine dropped and changed rapidly, with little opportunity for adrenalin fumbles.

5. Consider buying a different car. It's surprising how often we are identified by what we drive - and I don't mean in a materialistic sense...more like "the dude that drives a black jetta" kinda thing.

Just some ideas in addition to the ones you've already gotten. I have done all but the dog one, and would've done that if I had a place to keep one, or if my father would've taken one (he didn't want the additional responsibility).

And remember that she's scared; fear is often irrational, but there are things - concrete things - you can do to start alleviating it.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Tonto 1]

PM'd you.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[Skyrad 0]

Been threatened many times, and had a couple of attempts on me over the years. (Wasn't always a Radiographer) I've found that you can usualy divide these people into talkers and do'ers. Those who are serious rarely give any warning. The dogs that bark the loudest are usualy toothless. If you're worried try and be unpredictable, vary your route to work or to the school, try and do the same with your timings and avoid routine as much as you can. Be observant and make note or take pictures of any new cars/vans hanging around your home/work place. make sure your family know what to do in the event of a fire and run through a drill with them. Reinforce 'stranger awareness' with the children. Inform the local police about the potential threat. Check under your car before geting close to it then again when you get to it. Look for suspicious containers under it or for puddles under it. Get to know what it looks like underneath normaly. Check the arches and under the hood. Make sure you have a locking petrol cap and that it hasn't been tampered with. Look for anything that shouldn't be there. (fishing line, pegs, plastic tupperware containers, wires that shouldn't be there) If you find anything back off and call the police. Shred your paperwork. Draw you blinds and close your curtains at night. Remove bushes and or shrubs from near windows and places where a person can conceal themselves near your driveway and front door. Fit outside lighting thats movement activated.
Like I said talkers and do'ers. Dont get paranoid but keep your head up. Good luck.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Yes. A few times. Take it seriously.

Shotguns are nice and fun to shoot, but I prefer a handgun for self defense.

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[nightjumps 1]

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I'm thinking of the half-dozen or so reports that appear in "The Armed Citizen" every month in the NRA's magazines. I think you are overblowing the urgency of becoming some sort of tactical elite dude when all that may be necessary, in all likelihood, are a couple of shots at relatively close range.

First, "The Armed Citizen" only shares what it wants you to hear.

I'm not trying to turn him into some sort of "tactical elite dude," but there is considerable more to home/personal defense than just buying a gun.

My reply was a device to cause pause for consideration; not as a stop mechanism.