Casurf1978 0 #26 June 11, 2004 QuoteThe greatest president of the 20th century bar none. He was a good Pres, but not the greastest of the 20th century. FDR, Truman, Teddy. You're talking giants here. I was way too young too when he was Pres, but I will always remember his Challenger speech especially this part: "And I want to say something to the schoolchildren of America who were watching the live coverage of the shuttle's takeoff. I know it is hard to understand, but sometimes painful things like this happen. It's all part of the process of exploration and discovery. It's all part of taking a chance and expanding man's horizons. The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. The Challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we'll continue to follow them..." Yeah I know he had speech writers, but from what I understand the orginal speech was 20 pages long and he weeded it down to a few paragraphs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #27 June 11, 2004 QuoteDo you have a comprehension problem or something? Nice personal attack. Getting frustrated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 June 11, 2004 QuoteLarge deficit spending is ruinous in the long run. It's a short-term solution sometimes, but short-term solutions shouldn't be used on long-term problems. Reagan's fiscal policy was the main contributor to the horrendous economic conditions and dilapidation of Philadelphia in the 80's that they are just now finally recovering from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #29 June 11, 2004 QuoteReagan's fiscal policy was the main contributor to the horrendous economic conditions and dilapidation of Philadelphia in the 80's that they are just now finally recovering from. you mean Clintons 8 years didn't fix it?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #30 June 11, 2004 What is happening here!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #31 June 11, 2004 QuoteHe did not serve everyone. And the fact that the people who weren't well-served (many, many poor and marginalized people) don't necessarily vote or speak out in the venues that we see means that it's easy to see the good and ignore the bad. Because "those people" are wrong anyway. Or something like that. "Those people" are still Americans, and citizens, and have the same rights, friends, families, and desire to live lives that we do. Thank You Wendy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #32 June 11, 2004 QuoteExplain how (1) is not contradicted by (4). It's pragmatism, professor. (1) showed his core values and other things that he did not need to compromise. He had the power to fire those ATC's regardless of any compromise as the executive. On taxes, he lowered the tax rate, thereby bringin in more dollars. The dude actually found a way to lower taxes and raise them at the same time. Government growth - hey, I point out his weaknesses. But, he had to give in to many things to get anythign done. Anti-abortion? Isn't it amazing when a leader does what he believes necessary, even though he doesn't like it personally? That's great governing. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #33 June 11, 2004 Well, as puppets go, he was quite talented. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 June 11, 2004 Quote His policy of "Just Say No" to drugs didn't work, and the drug problem in the US just escalated to where it is today. Are you asserting that the drug problem is far greater now than in the 80s, or the 70s? Ineffective was Just Say No, but so has everything else. People want drugs, be they legal or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #35 June 12, 2004 QuoteQuote His policy of "Just Say No" to drugs didn't work, and the drug problem in the US just escalated to where it is today. Are you asserting that the drug problem is far greater now than in the 80s, or the 70s? Ineffective was Just Say No, but so has everything else. People want drugs, be they legal or not. without turning this into a "drug policy" post now, i'll just say that things did seem to get worse (see the crack epidemic). Sure people will always want drugs, but there are effective ways to combat the trade, supply and demand, other than coming up with a slogan where you "Just Say No" that addresses approximately none of the issues as to why people will be taking drugs (for fun and/or reasons of escape) "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #36 June 12, 2004 Speaking of slogans "No Child Left Behind" comes to mind. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #37 June 12, 2004 Hi there, Personally I think that Reagan (or perhaps the Reagan / Thatcher combination) was the greatest of the latter part of the 20th Century. Living where I do, there is only one reason for this - but it is an exceptionally compelling reason. As I've already said, in my youth I lived under a constant threat. Some concepts which were almost a part of our natiopnal consciousness have disappeared. How many people under the age of 25 - 30 immediately know and understand (without research) the folowing concepts: "Doomsday Clock" "Mutual Assured Destruction" "Four Minute Warning" "DEW Line" "Megatonnage" "Megadeath" "Protect and Survive" (or "Protest and Survive") For Emergency services personnel: "Radiac Monitors" and "Dosimeters" "Civil Defence" "SS20, SS19, Cruise" "Flexible Response" "Tactical Vs Strategic Weapons" Twenty years ago, part of my work was frequent checks on a deserted farmhouse. I had to re-sign the Official Secrets Act before even being shown where it was! In the event that I hed to take up my traffic control point for this farmhouse i would be issued a pistol and assault rifle with authority to shoot any unauthorised persons! Thanks primarily to Reagan the Cold War is over. The spectre of the Cold war going "Hot" has disappeared. The "deserted Farmhouse" which was the entrance to Scotlands emergency government bunker is now a museum. My kids now learn about this as history and not current afairs (and don't understand most of it). Yes, Reagan did spend a hell of a lot of money on defense. Not only did he rebuild the US military to what it is today, he simultaneously broke the Soviet economy in it's attempts to match his military spend. It was almost like he was "playing Poker" with the Soviets and he just kept on raising the stakes by putting chips onto the table until they ran out of chips and had to fold. Anyway, the Cold War is gone thanks to his efforts and regardless of his other percieved successes or failures, it is for ending a 42 year war and fear of global destruction that he deserves to be remembered as a great man and deserving of being the fifth face on Mount Rushmore. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyUtah 0 #38 June 12, 2004 Quote why was Reagan such a good President? Because he BASE jumped. BASE Jumping is not a crime! --The Ex PresidentsHave Fun, Don't Die! Johnny Utah My Website email:johnny@johnnyutah.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #39 June 12, 2004 QuoteDo you have a comprehension problem or something? Kallend, do you have to be so rude...all the time? FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #40 June 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteDo you have a comprehension problem or something? Kallend, do you have to be so rude...all the time? FallRate I think he's blossomed nicely over the past few years :) Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #41 June 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you have a comprehension problem or something? Kallend, do you have to be so rude...all the time? FallRate I think he's blossomed nicely over the past few years :) Michael I got good instruction. Thanks.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #42 June 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteDo you have a comprehension problem or something? Kallend, do you have to be so rude...all the time? FallRate If you bothered to read my posts you'd know it's not "all the time". I'm quite selective.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #43 June 13, 2004 QuoteIf you bothered to read my posts you'd know it's not "all the time". I'm quite selective. You might try selecting a bit differently. Rudeness doesn't really score you any points with anyone but yourself. It just kind of makes you look mean.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #44 June 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf you bothered to read my posts you'd know it's not "all the time". I'm quite selective. You might try selecting a bit differently. Rudeness doesn't really score you any points with anyone but yourself. It just kind of makes you look mean. Select differently? You mean I should be rude to people that don't misquote, don't misread what is written, and don't] call anyone who comments on the administration's mistakes and lies a whining liberal?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #45 June 13, 2004 QuoteYou mean I should be rude to people that don't misquote, don't misread what is written, and don't call anyone who comments on the administration's mistakes and lies a whining liberal? Nope. I meant you might consider not being rude at all. Just a thought.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #46 June 13, 2004 Growing up as a kid I never realised how great a man he was. He was just the president, someone who was on T.V. every night. As I got older and understood more I realised I had witnessed a lot of history. He was totaly responsible for the downfall of the Soviat Union, and ended the cold war. Bomb shelters and books about nucler survival are a part of our past. One thing that ment alot to our family was that he un did the massive damage that Carter did to us farmers. With one foul swoop Carter sent rural America into a tail spin by puting an embargo on grain trade with the Soviats. At the time the U.S. had 70% of the Soviat grain market. Farmers here were doing good, every one was happy. Carter fucked that all up. As a kid I wasn't old enough to understand why. I just knew things went to hell in a hurry and a lot of people we knew and were friends with had to sell out and do something else. It caused the downfall of the number 4 and 5 corperations in the nation and cost over 250,000 American jobs. Reagan ended the embargo almost right away, and put in place the most costly farm program ever to help bail out agriculture, but nothing could totaly undo the damage Carter did. He also was a man of character. He wasn't mean or nasty to other people. He was a polition in the true sense of the word as he played both sides of the isle to get what he thought was best for the nation. And above all else he loved this nation more than anything else, and always did what he thought was in it's best interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #47 June 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou mean I should be rude to people that don't misquote, don't misread what is written, and don't call anyone who comments on the administration's mistakes and lies a whining liberal? Nope. I meant you might consider not being rude at all. Just a thought. Are you going to mention the same thing to the guys who posted about "liberal pussies" and "whining liberals" yesterday?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #48 June 13, 2004 Rude!! You mean like purposely posting hurtful things on a thread that was originally created to post memorials. Or maybe lurking someone's dialog and then personally attacking them for their views. kallend is one of the worst offenders. Vigorous debate is heathy, graffitti is not. What amazes me is the same people who condemn our brave soldiers for making terrorists; who by the way have raped, murdered, burned and really totured innocent people; parade around naked. Take off your shit colored glasses, look at the reality and grow up. -Bob- -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #49 June 13, 2004 QuoteRude!! You mean like purposely posting hurtful things on a thread that was originally created to post memorials. Or maybe lurking someone's dialog and then personally attacking them for their views. kallend is one of the worst offenders. Vigorous debate is heathy, graffitti is not. What amazes me is the same people who condemn our brave soldiers for making terrorists; who by the way have raped, murdered, burned and really totured innocent people; parade around naked. Take off your shit colored glasses, look at the reality and grow up. -Bob- -- Relax, brother. Not everybody can be as open, loving and caring as you. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #50 June 13, 2004 Thanks. Off to the DZ! My attitude needs altitude ---------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
