kallend 2,150 #26 June 11, 2004 QuoteWhy send a VP when the boss is already in the area? And for someone as respected (by many around the world) as Reagan, is it really too much? As far as history goes, who cares, if Bush is in Russia and Putin dies, I'd expect him to go to the services. Period. If the head of Luxembourg dies, and everyone's here in the US, okay, maybe send the VP. I don't make policy. Just pointing out that based on past performance, Reagan would NOT have gone to the funeral of a foreign ex-president, contrary to the statement made.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #27 June 11, 2004 QuoteThere were plenty heads of state who attended. Why do you insist on defending Chirac? I didn't defend Chirac (see www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1110583#1110583), I corrected an error.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #28 June 11, 2004 QuoteI don't make policy. Just pointing out that based on past performance, Reagan would NOT have gone to the funeral of a foreign ex-president, contrary to the statement made. If he had been in the country at the time of the services for the ex-president... I'd like to think, based on his character, that he would attend. Especially if the dead ex-prez was someone like Gorbachev. Anyway, still, like you said before... low class behavior.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #29 June 12, 2004 QuoteWho really cares? Personally, I don't go to funerals. They're depressing. Barring your own, funerals are not about you. They are about comforting the loved ones of the deceased. A time to forget about yourself and think about those who are hurting. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #30 June 12, 2004 QuoteIt could be that he has prior commitments which require his diplomatic acumen... Or it could be he's just a whiny, cheese-eating, surrender monkey. While this made me laugh out loud, I have to admit I don't understand what negative connotation there is associated with "cheese-eating." I love cheese. Cheese is wonderful and delicious. (Well, it's wonderful because it's delicious --- I don't suppose it would be very wonderful except for being delicious...) How about, "whiny, wine-swilling, surrender monkey"? "Whiny, baguette-on-a-bicycle carrying, surrender monkey"? "Whiny, refusing-to-help-international-coalitions, surrender monkey"? Just a few suggestions. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #31 June 12, 2004 I like all of those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #32 June 12, 2004 QuoteIt could be he's just a whiny, cheese-eating, surrender monkey. Can we have a little respect for the French Language here!? They are NOT "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys". The correct term is "Fromage Mangeant Singes de Reddition" Perhaps THEN they'll understand, and it'll provoke either extreme violence or an abject surrender - so make sure you've got something white and flaggy to lend them when you say it! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #33 June 12, 2004 QuoteIt could be that he has prior commitments which require his diplomatic acumen... Or it could be he's just a whiny, cheese-eating, surrender monkey. Can we have a bit of respect for the French Language here!? They are NOT "Cheese Eating Surrender Momkeys". The CORRECT term is "Fromage Mangeant singes de Reddition" Then they will understand! Beware that this will provoke either extreme vioplence or abject surrender on their part... So have something white and flaggy to lend them when you say it. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #34 June 13, 2004 or we could just say Chirac once more showed a lack of class. But then again I just love the sound of "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey" must be the evil conservative in me http://www.evilconservatives.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #35 June 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt could be that he has prior commitments which require his diplomatic acumen... Or it could be he's just a whiny, cheese-eating, surrender monkey. While this made me laugh out loud, I have to admit I don't understand what negative connotation there is associated with "cheese-eating." I love cheese. Cheese is wonderful and delicious. (Well, it's wonderful because it's delicious --- I don't suppose it would be very wonderful except for being delicious...) How about, "whiny, wine-swilling, surrender monkey"? "Whiny, baguette-on-a-bicycle carrying, surrender monkey"? "Whiny, refusing-to-help-international-coalitions, surrender monkey"? Just a few suggestions. - ROFLAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that is good stuff...::mentally puts them away for future use::......However, I am a big fan of monkeys...especially spider monkeys...So...in that case...not being too big of a fan of sloths...here is my meager contribution... QuoteHow about, "whiny, wine-swilling, surrender sloth"? "Whiny, baguette-on-a-bicycle carrying, surrender sloth"? "Whiny, refusing-to-help-international-coalitions, surrender sloth"? ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #36 June 13, 2004 perhaps pay back ... for when Prez Dick Nixon proclaimed at the funeral of the very popular French president George Pompidou (death in office) that "This is a great day for France" or perhaps he just wasn't invited - most were *former* leaders, who intersected and dealt with Reagan. (Reagan was already in seclusion for a year when Chirac came to power). ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #37 June 13, 2004 QuoteWould you expect Bush to attend the funeral of Gorbichov if he happened to be in Russia for a economic summit meeting? Would you expect Nelson Mendila to attend the funeral of Joseph Deiss if he was to pass away? If Bush just happened to be in the country where the the individuals in question were there on business, yes, I would expect him to show his respect and attend their funerals. Chirac in my opinon was being rude and petty. It is called, manners and decorum, two things which many people seem to lack in this day and age, including heads of state. ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #38 June 13, 2004 My guess is he's extremely busy trying to get those fries in the Congressional cafeteria renamed. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #39 June 14, 2004 Quote "Whiny, refusing-to-help-international-coalitions, surrender monkey"? - USA, UK and a few hundred other troops aint an international coaliton. More like a group that needs to settle an old score. Plus I like what Chirac said to Bush in France. He basically said the US and France have been and will always be friends, but a true friend stands up to you when you're about to make a mistake. Did you even know what Chirac and France did this last week to vets from WW2 and what he said to Bush? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #40 June 14, 2004 QuoteMy guess is he's extremely busy trying to get those fries in the Congressional cafeteria renamed. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!How was Moab? Was it HOT! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #41 June 14, 2004 I do not think it is personal. I think maybe they already had a set schedule. But I thought it was funny they had a service for a 200 year old heart last week........So they were putting to rest their own! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #42 June 14, 2004 Quotebut a true friend stands up to you when you're about to make a mistake. oh you mean the oil for what ever SH wanted un program? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #43 June 14, 2004 QuoteWould you expect Nelson Mendila to attend the funeral of Joseph Deiss if he was to pass away? Who is Nelson Mendila Joseph Deiss? Swiss President, and (surprise!) Ecconomist? As a matter of interest, Thabo Mbeki did attend the funeral - dispite the fact that he was in exile throughout President Reagan's term(s) in office. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 June 14, 2004 QuoteBarring your own, funerals are not about you. They are about comforting the loved ones of the deceased. A time to forget about yourself and think about those who are hurting. So, how much of that do you think was happening with political world leaders at a state funeral? No one was there to comfort Nancy, it was a dog and pony show. This thread is proof. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #45 June 14, 2004 QuoteQuoteThey're were/are the same kind of leader. Proud, stubborn, dedicated and absolutely convinced that their political ideal are right. They both often come off as arrogant, and they're loudspoken and do not shy away from controversial statements. True. But I think the main difference can be stated simply that Reagan would've attended Chirac's funeral. Ciels- Michele I doubt it. Reagan couldn't even attend the bathroom in the last decade of his life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #46 June 14, 2004 >oh you mean the oil for what ever SH wanted un program? You're thinking of Halliburton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #47 June 14, 2004 That's appalling. His policies should be fair game. The end of his life, undeserved as Alzheimer's is by anyone, shouldn't be. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #48 June 14, 2004 QuoteI doubt it. Reagan couldn't even attend the bathroom in the last decade of his life. QuoteThat's appalling. His policies should be fair game. The end of his life, undeserved as Alzheimer's is by anyone, shouldn't be. Wendy W. I completely agree. There are obviously some here with absolutely no class or decency. You've got to wonder if their parents ever made an attempt at teaching them right from wrong, manners, and a sense of respect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #49 June 14, 2004 >I doubt it. Reagan couldn't even attend the bathroom in the last decade of his life. That's something most of us will go through at the end of our lives. Let's hope the people who help your family and friends through your death have a little more class than you do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #50 June 14, 2004 Quote>I doubt it. Reagan couldn't even attend the bathroom in the last decade of his life. That's something most of us will go through at the end of our lives. Let's hope the people who help your family and friends through your death have a little more class than you do. Sounds like you're going through it now Bill. Relax. I nursed my own father through his Alzheimers up to his death. There's not much I am unaware of in respect to it. I wasn't making light of Reagan's illness, just the fact that it was idiotic to suggest that he would be attending any state funerals becuase he was such a classy guy as another poster was suggesting. His manner of passing not withstanding, I'm still not going to pretend any respect for the man that I never had though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
