Trent 0 #1 June 10, 2004 Just wanted to know what you guys think about the fact that while Chirac is here in the US, he won't attend any services for Reagan, while many heads of state and former heads of state will be attending. Does it say anything about the French prez, or is he just too busy or something? Just curious.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #2 June 10, 2004 It could be that he has prior commitments which require his diplomatic acumen... Or it could be he's just a whiny, cheese-eating, surrender monkey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #3 June 10, 2004 QuoteIt could be that he has prior commitments which require his diplomatic acumen... Or it could be he's just a whiny, cheese-eating, surrender monkey. I chose the latter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #4 June 10, 2004 BFD if Chirac's not going to be there. What I find more disturbing is not allowing either Clinton or Carter to say something. It would be a nice genuine gesture to have the current pres, and the remaining past ones say something about Reagan. Think about it for a second, to have your former adversary i.e., Carter say something at your funeral. Reagan had class and dignity. When the Iran hostages were released on his inauguration day Reagan sent Carter as his special envoy to great them. Reagan could've taken the credit, but he didn't. The man had class and dignity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #5 June 10, 2004 You're right, BFD if Chirac refuses to go. He's a jackass anyway. But I wanted to know what other people though, hence, my post. As far as not inviting (notice I use "invite", you used "allow") Clinton or Carter to speak... that's for the family to decide. They're invited to attend... everyone there doesn't get to speak.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 June 10, 2004 Would you expect Bush to attend the funeral of Gorbichov if he happened to be in Russia for a economic summit meeting? Would you expect Nelson Mendila to attend the funeral of Joseph Deiss if he was to pass away?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #7 June 10, 2004 QuoteJust wanted to know what you guys think about the fact that while Chirac is here in the US, he won't attend any services for Reagan, while many heads of state and former heads of state will be attending. Does it say anything about the French prez, or is he just too busy or something? Just curious. Possibly he is just reflecting the extreme distate the French ( and a large portion of Western Europe, including the UK) had for Reagan. I don't expect he'll go to Margaret Thatcher's either, whe she goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #8 June 10, 2004 I would expect Bush to attend Gorbachev's funeral if he were in the area. If Nelson Mandela were in Switzerland when Deiss passed away, yes, I'd expect him to attend. Why wouldn't the head of a nation attend the funeral of another head of a nation (or former) if they're in the country. It's just manners.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #9 June 10, 2004 QuotePossibly he is just reflecting the extreme distate the French ( and a large portion of Western Europe, including the UK) had for Reagan. Funny, when I was working in France, there were an awful lot of people I knew who liked Reagan. It's also funny to think that the people of Germany don't like him either. Several German people I know who were in Germany during the Cold War have told me how much respect Germans have for Reagan. I think he might just be reflecting his own distaste for the US in general... but that's just me.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #10 June 10, 2004 QuoteQuoteJust wanted to know what you guys think about the fact that while Chirac is here in the US, he won't attend any services for Reagan, while many heads of state and former heads of state will be attending. Does it say anything about the French prez, or is he just too busy or something? Just curious. Possibly he is just reflecting the extreme distate the French ( and a large portion of Western Europe, including the UK) had for Reagan. I don't expect he'll go to Margaret Thatcher's either, whe she goes. Come on Gareth, you can say something negative about the French, it's OK. I think it's low class behavior.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #11 June 10, 2004 QuoteOr it could be he's just a whiny, cheese-eating, surrender monkey. LOL that is Chirac alright. what a piss ant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #12 June 10, 2004 QuoteI would expect Bush to attend Gorbachev's funeral if he were in the area. If Nelson Mandela were in Switzerland when Deiss passed away, yes, I'd expect him to attend. Why wouldn't the head of a nation attend the funeral of another head of a nation (or former) if they're in the country. It's just manners. I would expect Bush (esp the elder one) to attend Gorbachev's funeral even if they weren't planning to be in the area. He was by far the most significant leader for the USSR in the past generation. Chirac not showing even when present is sending a message from France. Not a productive one, but certainly one they're entitled to make. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #13 June 11, 2004 QuoteChirac not showing even when present is sending a message from France. Not a productive one, but certainly one they're entitled to make. Of course he (they) are entitled to send a message like that... free world and all. I just thought it was low budget and wanted to see what others thought.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #14 June 11, 2004 Trent is correct. It was the Reagan family who chose who would speak at the funeral. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #16 June 11, 2004 Giscard D'Estaing is going.... So was it personal?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #17 June 11, 2004 Hah, funny how people praise Reagan, and then say Chirac a piss-ant. They're were/are the same kind of leader. Proud, stubborn, dedicated and absolutely convinced that their political ideal are right. They both often come off as arrogant, and they're loudspoken and do not shy away from controversial statements. Piss-ant indeed. Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #18 June 11, 2004 QuoteThey're were/are the same kind of leader. Proud, stubborn, dedicated and absolutely convinced that their political ideal are right. They both often come off as arrogant, and they're loudspoken and do not shy away from controversial statements. True. But I think the main difference can be stated simply that Reagan would've attended Chirac's funeral. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #19 June 11, 2004 Who really cares? Personally, I don't go to funerals. They're depressing. I prefer to remember people as they were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #20 June 11, 2004 Quote Where'd that come from? I would expect a leader from my country to attend the funeral of a former leader if they're already in the country. On a personal level I think it's just a matter of decorum. So where's the hypocrisy in that?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 June 11, 2004 Not directed at you. But there are others who are criticising Chirac who frequently blast other posters from other countries for criticising Bush with the claim that it's none of their business since he's not their president. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #22 June 11, 2004 QuoteBut I think the main difference can be stated simply that Reagan would've attended Chirac's funeral. Exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #23 June 11, 2004 QuoteQuote Where'd that come from? I would expect a leader from my country to attend the funeral of a former leader if they're already in the country. On a personal level I think it's just a matter of decorum. So where's the hypocrisy in that? Check your history. It's usually the VP who is sent.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #24 June 11, 2004 Why send a VP when the boss is already in the area? And for someone as respected (by many around the world) as Reagan, is it really too much? As far as history goes, who cares? If Bush is in Russia and Putin dies, I'd expect him to go to the services. Period. If the head of Luxembourg dies, and everyone's here in the US, okay, maybe send the VP.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #25 June 11, 2004 There were plenty heads of state who attended. Why do you insist on defending Chirac? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
