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You're right. There were lots of Communists everywhere. But there were a helluva lot of people whose lives were ruined undeservedly.
He trampled on people's rights, and made a mockery of the system. In sum, he found people and tried to find somethign they did wrong, as opposed to a just system that seeks to find something wrong and discover who did it.
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He trampled on people's rights, and made a mockery of the system. In sum, he found people and tried to find somethign they did wrong, as opposed to a just system that seeks to find something wrong and discover who did it.
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Don't get me wrong, McCarthy is still a SOS in my book, but he wasn't wrong. He just went about it the wrong way.
(and he may have been a bit psycho)
(and he may have been a bit psycho)
witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Quote(and he may have been a bit psycho)
You have my permission to list
"Understatement"
among your list of talents.
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It's the year of the Pig.
QuoteYou conveniently leave out the fact that he was right, and that many congress staffers and the entire CIA was infiltrated.
If we had relied on the CIA for info during the cold war, well, we wouldn't have had any. If not for the DIA and other agencies, we would have been blind, or worse, looking in the wrong direction.
And it's a fact that terrorist exist. That doesn't give anyone permission to go out and interrogate, accuse, arrest, and ruin the lives of anyone suspicious. Unless of course you're one of many GWB supporters on here who advocate that.
"That doesn't give anyone permission to go out and interrogate, accuse, arrest, and ruin the lives of anyone suspicious."
Awww, be fair PK, I heard last night that at least 3 detainees in Guantanomo have now been charged.....
Awww, be fair PK, I heard last night that at least 3 detainees in Guantanomo have now been charged.....
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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
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It took them 3 years to charge 3 people?
Fuck! It would take me maybe a week - (at least until the weekend) before I started telling them I was an alien rabilizard from Planet goonballsk - just so they would let me go to the DZ.
3 years for 3 dudes. Wow. There's a production line for you...
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Fuck! It would take me maybe a week - (at least until the weekend) before I started telling them I was an alien rabilizard from Planet goonballsk - just so they would let me go to the DZ.
3 years for 3 dudes. Wow. There's a production line for you...
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It's the year of the Pig.
Yep, at least 3 people in 3 years, these guys should be on bonus....
From almost exactly a year ago..
"What Colin and I have been concerned about... is that it's taking so long," he (Rummy)said. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3000939.stm
I believe theyhave released more people without charge than they have actually charged.......After a couple of years of detention that is.
From almost exactly a year ago..
"What Colin and I have been concerned about... is that it's taking so long," he (Rummy)said. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3000939.stm
I believe theyhave released more people without charge than they have actually charged.......After a couple of years of detention that is.
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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
Was McCarthy really so different from what he was allegedly fighting?
I suspect that both McCarthy and Uncle Joe would have agreed on a lot... Free Speech, Criminal Procedure, Sentencing and Capital Punishment....
It is to celebrate the defeat of the behaviour and methodsused, not the political "colour" used to justify that behaviour.
Mike.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.
I suspect that both McCarthy and Uncle Joe would have agreed on a lot... Free Speech, Criminal Procedure, Sentencing and Capital Punishment....
It is to celebrate the defeat of the behaviour and methodsused, not the political "colour" used to justify that behaviour.
Mike.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.
Don't forget J. Edgar, another stalward protector of the homeland.
Old bureau files on Joe. (pdf) heavy reading.
foia.fbi.gov/mccarthy.htm
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Old bureau files on Joe. (pdf) heavy reading.
foia.fbi.gov/mccarthy.htm
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QuoteMcCarthy and Uncle Joe would have agreed on a lot... Free Speech, Criminal Procedure, Sentencing and Capital Punishment...
Whoops!... Sitting here (pi$$ed as I am), it's just occured to me that the good senator and tail gunner "Joe" McCarthy shares a first name with Uncle Joe Stalin!
Speaking of... Err... "Tail Gunners"
, yeah, lets not forget Mr. Hoover... Whose motives in seizing Hermann Goering's entire collection of dresses & lingerie, were, I'm sure, unimpeachable.
MIke.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.
QuoteYesterday, June 9, was the 50th anniversay of Boston lawyer Joseph Welch's famous quote:
***"Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness."
After a continued attack by the Senator he said
"Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency? Have you left no sense of decency?"
Welch was applauded in the Senate chamber. Overnight, the stranglehold that Joseph McCarthy held over the public was obliterated.
I think we should all appreciate that moment of a man who refused to be bullied.
I would have added this yesterday, but I got called up to the Bay Area..
Looking back on it, how could people fall for that kind of crap........But then again, look how people supported the Iraq invasion without a second thought
Well, I know........read the words from Jim below and he pretty much sums it up.
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>Looking back on it, how could people fall for that kind of crap.......
Take any political speech in the last year, replace "terrorist" with "communist" and you have a McCarthy speech. Fear is a powerful tool when used by politicians for their own gain.
Take any political speech in the last year, replace "terrorist" with "communist" and you have a McCarthy speech. Fear is a powerful tool when used by politicians for their own gain.
If we had relied on the CIA for info during the cold war, well, we wouldn't have had any. If not for the DIA and other agencies, we would have been blind, or worse, looking in the wrong direction.
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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