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Many of the same Americans who want to know all the juicy details of the UN are the same ones who think that criticism of the President etc. is tantamount to treason.



Funny you say that, because last night I was thinking that many of the people eager to excuse the UN, or suppress the book right off the bat are the same people who want all the juicy details of everything that the current administration has done.

Oh well, back to my lunch. . .

:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r: LMAO Good point :ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

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As I'm sure you're aware, there is great disdain for the role of the UN by Americans



That would be some Americans. I'm not among them, and many others also aren't.



Quite correct. I wouldn't say it's a GOP thing, but rather those who do not want a unelected entity telling the single superpower what to do.

My biggest beef is the veto power. It makes the UN a tool of 5 nations.

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Many of the same Americans who want to know all the juicy details of the UN are the same ones who think that criticism of the President etc. is tantamount to treason.

Rules and manners only work if they apply to everyone, not just the folks you want them to.

Wendy W.



Yup - if someone in the Cabinet knows of outright fraud by the Administration, they should be able to speak, though if it truly is a matter of national security it can be to the proper committee in Congress. I'm struggling to think of reasons why the UN needs to hide secrets, however.

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Many of the same Americans who want to know all the juicy details of the UN are the same ones who think that criticism of the President etc. is tantamount to treason.



And there are those who can't see a difference between healthy debate and treason.



And there are those who claim any viewpoint other than their own is treason.

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Many of the same Americans who want to know all the juicy details of the UN are the same ones who think that criticism of the President etc. is tantamount to treason.



And there are those who can't see a difference between healthy debate and treason.



And there are those who claim any viewpoint other than their own is treason.



Who would that be?

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"And there are those who can't see a difference between healthy debate and treason.
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And there are those who claim any viewpoint other than their own is treason.
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Who would that be?"

You, apparently, Mr G Master.:)
Well, thats the impression I get from your posts, over the last couple of days, to this thread and others.

If you are comfortable with your leader's justification to kill what, 1,000 US citizens, and 10,000 Iraqi civilians, then all fair and good.

Me, I think its fucking scandalous that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, wielder of the most powerful military force in known history, has either been manipulated, misled, or was down right wrong, in his approach to the liberation of Iraq.

If discussing that situation openly and freely, is tantamount to treason, then God help us all.
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"And there are those who can't see a difference between healthy debate and treason.
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And there are those who claim any viewpoint other than their own is treason.
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Who would that be?"

You, apparently, Mr G Master.:)
Well, thats the impression I get from your posts, over the last couple of days, to this thread and others.

If you are comfortable with your leader's justification to kill what, 1,000 US citizens, and 10,000 Iraqi civilians, then all fair and good.

Me, I think its fucking scandalous that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, wielder of the most powerful military force in known history, has either been manipulated, misled, or was down right wrong, in his approach to the liberation of Iraq.

If discussing that situation openly and freely, is tantamount to treason, then God help us all.



And apparently you are incapable of understanding the the differences between healthy debate which I have said I support enought times to make you post not only rediculous but also innane. To your complete ignorance of the fact that U.S. troops are taling casualties because they have been told to hold back and be less aggressive in combat situations. So don't sit there in your armcahair and tell me about your fucking rights.

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"To your complete ignorance of the fact that U.S. troops are taling casualties because they have been told to hold back and be less aggressive in combat situations."

Don't expect your enemies to fight you in an orthodox manner, they are outnumbered and outgunned. If your tactics require the killing of civilians to achieve your goals, don't shout at me, shout at your tacticians.

"So don't sit there in your armcahair and tell me about your fucking rights. "

I'll sit wherever I want and say whatever I want.
Thats what I call freedom.
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I know a lot of folks are dissatisfied with the UN, but I'm not really sure I understand why that would be such a partisan issue. I know a lot of GOP folks were dissatisfied with the UN because it disagreed with GWB and the Iraq issue. Is that it?



I think that the consensus has been, lately, that America-hating liberals prefer a one-world-government-type scenario over American sovereignty -- which is why, for example, they support the U.N.'s efforts to ensnare nations like ours into "treaties" that ban individual ownership of firearms. Meanwhile, conservatives are repulsed by the U.N. sticking its nose into domestic issues.

America-hating leftists (democrats) welcome the ceding of American sovereignty to "globalization" because they feel that the American government can do nothing right, and America has no right to look after its own interests among the nations of the world. Conservatives who still believe that America, for better or for worse, is entitled to self-determination, oppose the U.N.'s efforts to insinuate itself into our decisionmaking.

That's why it's a partisan issue. The U.N. is as corrupt as any other governmental/political/economic organization, and it is naive to think it would ever be otherwise. The only thing is, the U.N. has this "cover" of being a multinational peace-force, when that's just a front for a power grabbing organization.

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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My quick $0.2:

News or not, the article is very dramatic. The writers are not martirs...

Like in any other company, we, UN staff members (yes, I'm one of them)



Just like a U.N. employee to figure her opinion is worth TWENTY cents when we serfs are lucky to get TWO cents for ours...

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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As I'm sure you're aware, there is great disdain for the role of the UN by Americans. Acting unprofessionally and then trying to forbid any discussion of it certainly won't improve that impression. We'll always distrust it because it threatens our authority, but it's much worse when we view it as a corrupt largess of bureaucratic peaceniks who want to apply socialism on a world wide stage.



Extremely well-said.

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Why should UN employees have far more leeway to report out what's going on within the organization?



Because when people at the UN screw up, the consequences are higher. Had it been doing its job, the second war in Iraq may not have occurred. Not a definite, but they certainly dropped the ball on enforcing sanctions and conducting effective inspections, and it may have been because of personal financial motivations. That sort of thing should be reported out if known, employee contracts be damned.

As I'm sure you're aware, there is great disdain for the role of the UN by Americans. Acting unprofessionally and then trying to forbid any discussion of it certainly won't improve that impression. We'll always distrust it because it threatens our authority, but it's much worse when we view it as a corrupt largess of bureaucratic peaceniks who want to apply socialism on a world wide stage.



I'm not even going to touch this one... but thank you for your response.



The only reason I can think of why someone who disagreed with something (I assume you do) would "not touch it" is because he doesn't have an adequate response to it. Why else, if you don't agree, would you not unload your barrage and debunk it as worthless drivel?

I mean, have at it. Let's hear why you disagree with that point of view, if indeed you do, as I suspect.

Blue skies,
-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Thank you for your objective and constructive responses... I've chosen to not respond to that post because I do disagree with it and it's my right to NOT voice my opinion when I choose not to, so thank you for the invite, but I'm going to pass... 4 successive responses, 2 of which are directed at the posters and not the issue at hand... hum? That's an interesting approach to discussion.

Off to the tunnel!

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