Trent 0 #51 June 4, 2004 Maybe you just need more than one network to sell bullshit. Facts and truth sell themselves to people who are smart enough to pay attention.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #52 June 4, 2004 QuoteI'm not arguing against a free market system. Instead, I'm looking at what IS instead of what should/could be. If the majority of media is leaning left, wouldn't most reporters who wanted jobs need to fit in as well? Was CNN Turner's first entry into media? Or did he have other things going on that allowed him to build up to it? I guess he did it overnight, and I guess we should ignore Fox's success since it goes against your point. You asked why I didn't start my own media outlet. I told you. You then went to generalize my statements to apply to all conservatives. What did you call that debate tactic? Even if your hypothesis that there are more left media outlets because there are more left leaning people in the US were true... does a majority of people believing in something make it fact? Is it possible that you may have been one of the people who SWORE that the world was flat? That is not my hypothesis. My hypothesis is that we have balance in the media with respect to what people want to watch. If there were imbalance, the free market would correct it. if there had been imbalance, the free market would have corrected it by now. The system has been in existence long enough for equilibrium to have been established. No - one forces 1.13M people to buy the New York Times every day.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #53 June 4, 2004 QuoteFacts and truth sell themselves to people who are smart enough to pay attention. I really like this quote. Nice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #54 June 4, 2004 QuoteMaybe you just need more than one network to sell bullshit. Facts and truth sell themselves to people who are smart enough to pay attention. You have not presented a single fact to rebut my argument. If conservatives felt there was a market for more right leaning media outlets, nothing at all has prevented them from putting their money down. The fact that they haven't ipso facto indicates that we have a balance in the system.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #55 June 4, 2004 Kennedy's right. Reality has long been lost to some people. I notice that you don't respond to many parts of people's posts... especially when they're right. Who forces the other 6 or 7 million people NOT to buy the Times? Poverty? The fact that it's basically a rag? In a free market, imbalances are not always immediately corrected. It is starting though. And I don't recall it being such an imbalance until more recently when it became very obvious to some that there was a lot of selective journalism going on. EDIT- I'm rebutting your argument with that statement. Merely pointing out for you that maybe part of the reason there is only selected conservative or neutral reporting going on is because it is more close to reality and you don't need to hear it as much to know it's right. It takes much more repetition to get people to believe the BS.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #56 June 4, 2004 QuoteAnd I don't recall it being such an imbalance until more recently when it became very obvious to some that there was a lot of selective journalism going on. Right, as soon as those people started leaning more and more toward an authoritarian, conservative, christian viewpoint. It isn't the media that has changed, it's the general psyche of a large portion of sheeple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #57 June 4, 2004 QuoteSo you are arguing that popular media is conservative. No argument there, but you seem to be contradicting the premise of the thread. No contradiction. I am saying that when a FOX or Newsmax comes along these days, it is like a cool drink of water in the desert for the conservative half of the population. Thank God for cable and the 'net -- otherwise we'd all still be under the thumbs of Brokaw, Jennings, and Rather, along with a liberally slanted print media. But as we've noted before, people have a choice of media bias to view these days. The better informed among us probably shop around a bit. Quote>BTW, how's Airhead America radio doing lately? Franken's show is doing considerably better than Limbaugh's show in several markets. And so it is, he's selling very well to a few urban markets. I wonder what the attention span of the average 24yr old liberal is. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #58 June 4, 2004 QuoteYou have not presented a single fact to rebut my argument. I have, but you did a fine job of ignoring it. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #59 June 4, 2004 QuoteRight, as soon as those people started leaning more and more toward an authoritarian, conservative, christian viewpoint. I'd hardly call my view authoritarian christian. QuoteIt isn't the media that has changed, it's the general psyche of a large portion of sheeple. It isn't the media that's changed? Go look up some NYT articles from WW2. And the sheeple seem to be the ones buying into the most liberal views apparently, since according to Kallend that's where they're getting their news.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #60 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou have not presented a single fact to rebut my argument. I have, but you did a fine job of ignoring it. But you provided information in support - that the owners of FOX saw a market, jumped in, and made lots of money. Capitalism in action. Did anyone prevent FOX from doing this? No. Did anyone tell FOX that they could only hire liberal editors and reporters? No. If there's still an imbalance, is anyone stopping YOU from doing the same? No.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #61 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo you are arguing that popular media is conservative. No argument there, but you seem to be contradicting the premise of the thread. No contradiction. I am saying that when a FOX or Newsmax comes along these days, it is like a cool drink of water in the desert for the conservative half of the population. They don't just "come along", someone with a bit of gumption creates them. If the " conservative half of the population" is content just to sit on their collective asses and wait for someone come along to feed them their daily dose of pablum, then they get what they deserve.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #62 June 4, 2004 I love this argument about how it's too expensive for conservatives to break into the news game. Who do you think owns the news outlets? Conservatives. 3 of the 5 largest are those bastions of liberalism, Disney, News Corp and Viacom. Give me a break. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #63 June 4, 2004 QuoteIf the " conservative half of the population" is content just to sit on their collective asses and wait for someone come along to feed them their daily dose of pablum, then they get what they deserve. If the "liberal half" is content to get selective news and biased reporting, they get what they deserve. And hey, if that's the majority this election season, then Kerry just might win. And then as they say, "people get the leadership they deserve".Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #64 June 4, 2004 QuoteAnd hey, if that's the majority this election season, then Kerry just might win. And then as they say, "people get the leadership they deserve". We can always hope for the best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #65 June 4, 2004 QuoteBut you provided information in support - that the owners of FOX saw a market, jumped in, and made lots of money. Capitalism in action. No, I was speaking of the stats I presented that reveal the overwhelming left leaning personal views of the individual members of the national media overall. Don't you think that might result in a significant slant on the way the news is presented? QuoteDid anyone prevent FOX from doing this? No. Did anyone tell FOX that they could only hire liberal editors and reporters? No. FOX takes a stab at seeming to be "fair and balanced" -- in fact some of their shows probably are -- but a blind man could see that they are right leaning overall. Why? Because they have more righties on the staff. Now take that same idea and apply it to the long-time traditional media, the huge majority of existing media, and a blind man could see they have a liberal bias because of the political leanings of the staff. QuoteIf there's still an imbalance, is anyone stopping YOU from doing the same? No. People a lot more dedicated than me are slowly closing the imbalance. Isn't it nice things are evening out these days? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #66 June 4, 2004 QuoteIf the " conservative half of the population" is content just to sit on their collective asses and wait for someone come along to feed them their daily dose of pablum, then they get what they deserve. I never said it was too expensive for conservatives, I said it was too expensive for ME. Kallend twisted that argument to suit his view so he could talk more.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #67 June 4, 2004 Umm, this wasn't you? QuoteThink about the costs of setting up a media firm over the last 80 years, where you can expand using profits from business. Now, think about the cost of jumping in headfirst today to establish a full on company that will directly compete with existing ones. I guess economic feasibility is a concept that escapes the most brilliant liberal minds You seem to be implying that it's not economically feasible to start a conservative news station. However, a vast majority of news outlets are owned by conservative corporations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #68 June 4, 2004 QuoteUmm, this wasn't you? QuoteThink about the costs of setting up a media firm over the last 80 years, where you can expand using profits from business. Now, think about the cost of jumping in headfirst today to establish a full on company that will directly compete with existing ones. I guess economic feasibility is a concept that escapes the most brilliant liberal minds You seem to be implying that it's not economically feasible to start a conservative news station. However, a vast majority of news outlets are owned by conservative corporations. Don't confuse him with facts.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #69 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteBut you provided information in support - that the owners of FOX saw a market, jumped in, and made lots of money. Capitalism in action. No, I was speaking of the stats I presented that reveal the overwhelming left leaning personal views of the individual members of the national media overall. Don't you think that might result in a significant slant on the way the news is presented? Quote When I survey my students they all report that they are above average. Surveys about self are never reliable. The free market responds to what the consumers want. That is the fact. I'm going jumping. It's been fun!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #70 June 4, 2004 QuoteYou asked why I didn't start my own media outlet. I told you. You then went to generalize my statements to apply to all conservatives. What did you call that debate tactic? Did you miss that? He told me to quit whining and start my own newspaper. I can't afford to do it. QuoteHowever, a vast majority of news outlets are owned by conservative corporations. Then they'll see soon how a lot of people are tired of the bullshit, and how they're losing money because of it and get rid of some of the "liberal-isms". Or maybe it's a conspiracy to sell the liberals their own shit and make money off of it. We've already talked about this here... go read the whole thread instead of selected parts. Hey, maybe that's something there!! The whole discussion is available, but you and kallend only chose to see parts of it. Especially avoiding points made that you can't or won't debate.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #71 June 4, 2004 QuoteWhen I survey my students they all report that they are above average. Surveys about self are never reliable. That's not comparable to a professionally conducted poll asking reporters about their political orientations. But don't worry. When I disagree with poll results, I find ways to ignore the results too. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #72 June 4, 2004 Quote7% of national journalists claim to be conservative. 34% claim to be liberal. The rest are somewhere between, probably mostly left leaning moderates. Those numbers indicate a huge potential for bias. 99% of statistics are made up on the spot. Do you have a source for this? What questions were used to determine their political orientations? You said that they evaluated themselves. You never said anything about a professionally conducted poll asking political questions to gauge their orientation. Can't really blame you, though. You're just reporting it the same way FOX would Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #73 June 4, 2004 >Who the heck would they get to moderate it? Arnold S, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #74 June 4, 2004 What do you think would happen if he grabbed Anne C's boobies?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #75 June 4, 2004 QuoteWhat do you think would happen if he grabbed Anne C's boobies? What about if he grabbed her dick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Trent 0 #70 June 4, 2004 QuoteYou asked why I didn't start my own media outlet. I told you. You then went to generalize my statements to apply to all conservatives. What did you call that debate tactic? Did you miss that? He told me to quit whining and start my own newspaper. I can't afford to do it. QuoteHowever, a vast majority of news outlets are owned by conservative corporations. Then they'll see soon how a lot of people are tired of the bullshit, and how they're losing money because of it and get rid of some of the "liberal-isms". Or maybe it's a conspiracy to sell the liberals their own shit and make money off of it. We've already talked about this here... go read the whole thread instead of selected parts. Hey, maybe that's something there!! The whole discussion is available, but you and kallend only chose to see parts of it. Especially avoiding points made that you can't or won't debate.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #71 June 4, 2004 QuoteWhen I survey my students they all report that they are above average. Surveys about self are never reliable. That's not comparable to a professionally conducted poll asking reporters about their political orientations. But don't worry. When I disagree with poll results, I find ways to ignore the results too. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #72 June 4, 2004 Quote7% of national journalists claim to be conservative. 34% claim to be liberal. The rest are somewhere between, probably mostly left leaning moderates. Those numbers indicate a huge potential for bias. 99% of statistics are made up on the spot. Do you have a source for this? What questions were used to determine their political orientations? You said that they evaluated themselves. You never said anything about a professionally conducted poll asking political questions to gauge their orientation. Can't really blame you, though. You're just reporting it the same way FOX would Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #73 June 4, 2004 >Who the heck would they get to moderate it? Arnold S, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #74 June 4, 2004 What do you think would happen if he grabbed Anne C's boobies?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #75 June 4, 2004 QuoteWhat do you think would happen if he grabbed Anne C's boobies? What about if he grabbed her dick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
