PhillyKev 0 #1 June 3, 2004 You should have heard this woman on Stern this morning. She got a few million from the 9/11 fund because her husband was killed. Here's her story. When she was 16 she beat up and robbed someone refilling an ATM machine and got 50 grand. At 18 she got arrested for driving the getaway car in a bank robbery. Then she got married to the guy who was killed in the towers. After that, she met and started going out with a NYC cop. He lost his job because he got arrested for beating her up and breaking her ribs, but they're still together. They smoke crack together and with the oldest of her 3 kids who is 18. The cop blows shot gun hits of crack into the daughter's mouth. The daughter has seen them have sex many times including when she was pretending to be asleep in the bed with them. The woman has several wave runners, ATVs, and motorcycles. Neither of them work. Ugggghhhhh......glad I contributed. I know, there were people who needed and deserved the money and I'm glad they got it. But that makes me sick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #2 June 3, 2004 got a news item/url for more details? I'm not saying Stern isn't a reliable newshoud, i would just like more details as i don't get to hear his show anymore (we don't get it here). Thanks "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #3 June 3, 2004 I think you're justified in feeling the way that you do, but you need to look at the overall picture. Is this rule rathen than the exception? Either way, it's sickening, I agree. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 June 3, 2004 Quotegot a news item/url for more details? I'm not saying Stern isn't a reliable newshoud, i would just like more details as i don't get to hear his show anymore (we don't get it here). Thanks It wasn't a news item. He had these people in his studio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #5 June 3, 2004 Just because you're scum doesn't mean you deserve to be incinerated or crushed in a terrorist attack. Scum are people too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 June 3, 2004 QuoteJust because you're scum doesn't mean you deserve to be incinerated or crushed in a terrorist attack. Scum are people too. I agree with that. None of this had anything to do with her husband that was killed. This is her current boyfriend that she's sharing the millions she got from the fund with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PrairieDoug 0 #7 June 4, 2004 I never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 June 4, 2004 QuoteWas their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Yes, I think so. Maybe not more deserving, but their pain was a lot worse. I don't know about you, but I was pretty mind fucked for a while after that. I can't imagine what it must be for someone who's spouse or parent was killed by foreign invaders on a sunny fall morning in a land historically immune from foreign invaders. And there are usually funds set up to help the families of most murder victims. It just so happened this fund got a lot of donations because of the magnitude of what happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #9 June 4, 2004 QuoteI never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? OK, 911 was a traumatic event for not only the US but also the world. That said there was a good deal of pressure to support the victims famlies. I dont have a problem with support and assistance with terrorist victims famlies on US soil. But a blatent million dollor plus payment to famlies is just not right and I have never understood it. Yes it was a horific event and yes I can see support in some fashion but I would have guessed that more stories like the one noted above would have come out by now. As a side, I dont remember if the victims famlies for the people on the flights were compensated. As for murders and car accidents, I think that is why people carry life insurance for the familys future. Flat out you never know what life is going to throw at you or your family. Anther issue I have is if they want to coompensate victims famlies for "terrorist" actions on US soil I can understand that but what about the Ok-City bombing where the victims famlies were not compensated?? That was most assuradly a terrorist action. I dont get the difference??? Please dont take me wrong, I dont have a problem with compensation for the victims famlies. That said, I dont think it is appropiate for the size of the compensation to be out of wack with normal insurance policies just becuse of the magnitude of the event. I guess an issue I have is if these "terrorist" victims famlies are being taken care of and others are not why???? Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #10 June 4, 2004 Quote I can't imagine what it must be for someone who's spouse or parent was killed by foreign invaders on a sunny fall morning in a land historically immune from foreign invaders... It's the same pain that parents feel when told their drafted son is mia or kia in a foreign land. They knew it could happen, but pretended it would never happen.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #11 June 4, 2004 That's the thing though. I don't think the vast majority of people thought that it could happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TypicalFish 0 #12 June 4, 2004 Quote It's the same pain that parents feel when told their drafted son is mia or kia in a foreign land. They knew it could happen, but pretended it would never happen. And where's THEIR celebrity telethon and compensation fund?"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #13 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuote It's the same pain that parents feel when told their drafted son is mia or kia in a foreign land. They knew it could happen, but pretended it would never happen. And where's THEIR celebrity telethon and compensation fund? Bush took it away from them. QuoteThe Bush administration stopped a group of former American POWs from collecting federal court-ordered compensation for their torture by Saddam Hussein's government during the Gulf War. When the freed American POWs had returned home from the Persian Gulf War in March 1991, Vice President Dick Cheney, then secretary of defense, welcomed them at Andrews Air Force Base, MD with the words: "Every man and woman who cares for freedom owes you a very special measure of gratitude." Last year, the former Gulf War POWs had sued Iraq for damages from mistreatment by Saddam's regime while they were in captivity. Then last July 7 — three months after the fall of Saddam's regime — U.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. Roberts ordered a temporary freeze on $653 million in Iraqi assets then held in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, as a source of money for the settlement. But the Bush administration stopped payment arguing that the money was instead needed for reconstructing Iraq. Most of Iraq's money was slated by Bush for shipment to Baghdad where U.S. soldiers are handing out the cash to Iraqi civil servants and military pensioners. A recent federal court ruling sided with the Bush White House in barring the former American POWs from collecting compensation money from Iraq. Now, Bush is trying to get the POWs’ entire case against Iraq thrown out -- a move the former POWs believe will wipe their torture out of the history books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #14 June 4, 2004 Quote Bush took it away from them... I believe that within the last couple of years a group of survivors from the Bataan Death March were told by the US gov they could not sue the Japanese government for torture and cruelty.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #15 June 4, 2004 That's somewhat understandable. The treaty we signed with Japan in 1951 precluded any compensation for the war. However, Bush used the Patriot Act to secure the funds and hold them from the Iraq vets. That was legislation that he pushed through, not a 50 year old treaty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #16 June 4, 2004 QuoteU.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. ok I think what Bush did here was wrong, but still: $959 Million dollars for being tortured!? that comes out to 56.4 million dollars per guy. did vietnam tortured-POWs get 56.4 million each? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #17 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteU.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. ok I think what Bush did here was wrong, but still: $959 Million dollars for being tortured!? that comes out to 56.4 million dollars per guy. did vietnam tortured-POWs get 56.4 million each? Did we have $959million of Vietnam's money sitting in a NY bank? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #18 June 4, 2004 She deserves the same benefits as everyone else that lost someone regardless of her lifestyle. Period. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #19 June 6, 2004 None of them deserve the kind of money they got. Something to make up for the loss of income provided by an SO, if that loss is going to hurt you, is what they deserve, not millions of dollars. People should also check out the deal that the NYPD and FDNY spouses get when the loose someone in the line of duty. Continued pay, medical benefits, etc. But they also bitched to get millions in additional compenstation. All about greed. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #20 June 6, 2004 QuoteNone of them deserve the kind of money they got. Interesting opinion. Luckily the fund disagrees with you. They deservingly get it. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vamp 0 #21 June 6, 2004 Consider this: this freakshow of a 'family' was on Stern so a new guy could attempt to get a job there. As despicable as the entire thing was (yes, I was listening and puking at the same time), there's no telling if what they were saying was true or not. Sensationalism and all that. The dude that brought them in even sd he didn't know them as of 24 hours prior. That being said, while I'm certain there are plenty of disfunctional families that benefitted from the fund, I believe there are many more that put (or are putting) the funds to good use. One bad apple...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #22 June 6, 2004 QuoteI can't imagine what it must be for someone who's spouse or parent was killed by foreign invaders on a sunny fall morning in a land historically immune from foreign invaders. *** Hi Kev~ "historically immune from 'FOREIGN' invaders..." In this instance, I feel 'that' was the vary reason for all the attention & donations... For those that don't agree with my theory, I have two words... Oklahoma City ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloudseeker2001 0 #23 June 7, 2004 QuoteI never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Right there with you. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #24 June 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteI never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Right there with you. Of course, the same could be said for the victims of the Kenyan and Tanzanian embassy bombings. Except of course that rescue work was stopped on "US soil" as "they" searched for evidence - even as the screams of the injured faded. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 June 10, 2004 QuoteNone of them deserve the kind of money they got. Something to make up for the loss of income provided by an SO, if that loss is going to hurt you, is what they deserve, not millions of dollars. People should also check out the deal that the NYPD and FDNY spouses get when the loose someone in the line of duty. Continued pay, medical benefits, etc. But they also bitched to get millions in additional compenstation. All about greed. It absolutely is all about greed. People nowadays seem to feel entitled to having personal independent wealth handed to them, without having to work for any of it. If this compensation is about loss of the spouse's earning potential, what makes dying in a terrorist attack any different from losing one's insurance-salesman-husband to a heart attack or a skiing accident? No one rushes in and says, "Here's the $1.3 million he would have earned if he'd lived to the average life expectancy of a white American male." No, in most situations, when something fucked up happens to a family, they gotta simply get their shit together and make it work. If that means Mom goes and hits the employment lines, that's the breaks. If that means the kid goes to community college instead of Cornell, so be it. No one is ENTITLED to the money that so-and-so "would have earned" -- for one thing, because no one even knows if the guy would have lived X number of more years in the first place! What if we compensate some Wall St. widow $5.6 million for a husband who had advanced liver cancer and was destined to die in less than 2 years anyway? Had he NOT died in the attacks, he would have left her without his income, and she wouldn't have someone throwing millions at her. But he dies in the WTC, and now she's entitled to all the unrealized "potential" of his job, as though he were guaranteed to have continued to work, not getting killed, not getting fired, not running off with some floozy, for X number of years? It's ridiculous. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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PhillyKev 0 #11 June 4, 2004 That's the thing though. I don't think the vast majority of people thought that it could happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #12 June 4, 2004 Quote It's the same pain that parents feel when told their drafted son is mia or kia in a foreign land. They knew it could happen, but pretended it would never happen. And where's THEIR celebrity telethon and compensation fund?"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuote It's the same pain that parents feel when told their drafted son is mia or kia in a foreign land. They knew it could happen, but pretended it would never happen. And where's THEIR celebrity telethon and compensation fund? Bush took it away from them. QuoteThe Bush administration stopped a group of former American POWs from collecting federal court-ordered compensation for their torture by Saddam Hussein's government during the Gulf War. When the freed American POWs had returned home from the Persian Gulf War in March 1991, Vice President Dick Cheney, then secretary of defense, welcomed them at Andrews Air Force Base, MD with the words: "Every man and woman who cares for freedom owes you a very special measure of gratitude." Last year, the former Gulf War POWs had sued Iraq for damages from mistreatment by Saddam's regime while they were in captivity. Then last July 7 — three months after the fall of Saddam's regime — U.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. Roberts ordered a temporary freeze on $653 million in Iraqi assets then held in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, as a source of money for the settlement. But the Bush administration stopped payment arguing that the money was instead needed for reconstructing Iraq. Most of Iraq's money was slated by Bush for shipment to Baghdad where U.S. soldiers are handing out the cash to Iraqi civil servants and military pensioners. A recent federal court ruling sided with the Bush White House in barring the former American POWs from collecting compensation money from Iraq. Now, Bush is trying to get the POWs’ entire case against Iraq thrown out -- a move the former POWs believe will wipe their torture out of the history books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #14 June 4, 2004 Quote Bush took it away from them... I believe that within the last couple of years a group of survivors from the Bataan Death March were told by the US gov they could not sue the Japanese government for torture and cruelty.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #15 June 4, 2004 That's somewhat understandable. The treaty we signed with Japan in 1951 precluded any compensation for the war. However, Bush used the Patriot Act to secure the funds and hold them from the Iraq vets. That was legislation that he pushed through, not a 50 year old treaty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #16 June 4, 2004 QuoteU.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. ok I think what Bush did here was wrong, but still: $959 Million dollars for being tortured!? that comes out to 56.4 million dollars per guy. did vietnam tortured-POWs get 56.4 million each? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #17 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteU.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. ok I think what Bush did here was wrong, but still: $959 Million dollars for being tortured!? that comes out to 56.4 million dollars per guy. did vietnam tortured-POWs get 56.4 million each? Did we have $959million of Vietnam's money sitting in a NY bank? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #18 June 4, 2004 She deserves the same benefits as everyone else that lost someone regardless of her lifestyle. Period. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #19 June 6, 2004 None of them deserve the kind of money they got. Something to make up for the loss of income provided by an SO, if that loss is going to hurt you, is what they deserve, not millions of dollars. People should also check out the deal that the NYPD and FDNY spouses get when the loose someone in the line of duty. Continued pay, medical benefits, etc. But they also bitched to get millions in additional compenstation. All about greed. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tunaplanet 0 #20 June 6, 2004 QuoteNone of them deserve the kind of money they got. Interesting opinion. Luckily the fund disagrees with you. They deservingly get it. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vamp 0 #21 June 6, 2004 Consider this: this freakshow of a 'family' was on Stern so a new guy could attempt to get a job there. As despicable as the entire thing was (yes, I was listening and puking at the same time), there's no telling if what they were saying was true or not. Sensationalism and all that. The dude that brought them in even sd he didn't know them as of 24 hours prior. That being said, while I'm certain there are plenty of disfunctional families that benefitted from the fund, I believe there are many more that put (or are putting) the funds to good use. One bad apple...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #22 June 6, 2004 QuoteI can't imagine what it must be for someone who's spouse or parent was killed by foreign invaders on a sunny fall morning in a land historically immune from foreign invaders. *** Hi Kev~ "historically immune from 'FOREIGN' invaders..." In this instance, I feel 'that' was the vary reason for all the attention & donations... For those that don't agree with my theory, I have two words... Oklahoma City ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloudseeker2001 0 #23 June 7, 2004 QuoteI never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Right there with you. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #24 June 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteI never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Right there with you. Of course, the same could be said for the victims of the Kenyan and Tanzanian embassy bombings. Except of course that rescue work was stopped on "US soil" as "they" searched for evidence - even as the screams of the injured faded. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 June 10, 2004 QuoteNone of them deserve the kind of money they got. Something to make up for the loss of income provided by an SO, if that loss is going to hurt you, is what they deserve, not millions of dollars. People should also check out the deal that the NYPD and FDNY spouses get when the loose someone in the line of duty. Continued pay, medical benefits, etc. But they also bitched to get millions in additional compenstation. All about greed. It absolutely is all about greed. People nowadays seem to feel entitled to having personal independent wealth handed to them, without having to work for any of it. If this compensation is about loss of the spouse's earning potential, what makes dying in a terrorist attack any different from losing one's insurance-salesman-husband to a heart attack or a skiing accident? No one rushes in and says, "Here's the $1.3 million he would have earned if he'd lived to the average life expectancy of a white American male." No, in most situations, when something fucked up happens to a family, they gotta simply get their shit together and make it work. If that means Mom goes and hits the employment lines, that's the breaks. If that means the kid goes to community college instead of Cornell, so be it. No one is ENTITLED to the money that so-and-so "would have earned" -- for one thing, because no one even knows if the guy would have lived X number of more years in the first place! What if we compensate some Wall St. widow $5.6 million for a husband who had advanced liver cancer and was destined to die in less than 2 years anyway? Had he NOT died in the attacks, he would have left her without his income, and she wouldn't have someone throwing millions at her. But he dies in the WTC, and now she's entitled to all the unrealized "potential" of his job, as though he were guaranteed to have continued to work, not getting killed, not getting fired, not running off with some floozy, for X number of years? It's ridiculous. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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PhillyKev 0 #15 June 4, 2004 That's somewhat understandable. The treaty we signed with Japan in 1951 precluded any compensation for the war. However, Bush used the Patriot Act to secure the funds and hold them from the Iraq vets. That was legislation that he pushed through, not a 50 year old treaty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #16 June 4, 2004 QuoteU.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. ok I think what Bush did here was wrong, but still: $959 Million dollars for being tortured!? that comes out to 56.4 million dollars per guy. did vietnam tortured-POWs get 56.4 million each? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 June 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteU.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages. ok I think what Bush did here was wrong, but still: $959 Million dollars for being tortured!? that comes out to 56.4 million dollars per guy. did vietnam tortured-POWs get 56.4 million each? Did we have $959million of Vietnam's money sitting in a NY bank? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #18 June 4, 2004 She deserves the same benefits as everyone else that lost someone regardless of her lifestyle. Period. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #19 June 6, 2004 None of them deserve the kind of money they got. Something to make up for the loss of income provided by an SO, if that loss is going to hurt you, is what they deserve, not millions of dollars. People should also check out the deal that the NYPD and FDNY spouses get when the loose someone in the line of duty. Continued pay, medical benefits, etc. But they also bitched to get millions in additional compenstation. All about greed. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #20 June 6, 2004 QuoteNone of them deserve the kind of money they got. Interesting opinion. Luckily the fund disagrees with you. They deservingly get it. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vamp 0 #21 June 6, 2004 Consider this: this freakshow of a 'family' was on Stern so a new guy could attempt to get a job there. As despicable as the entire thing was (yes, I was listening and puking at the same time), there's no telling if what they were saying was true or not. Sensationalism and all that. The dude that brought them in even sd he didn't know them as of 24 hours prior. That being said, while I'm certain there are plenty of disfunctional families that benefitted from the fund, I believe there are many more that put (or are putting) the funds to good use. One bad apple...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #22 June 6, 2004 QuoteI can't imagine what it must be for someone who's spouse or parent was killed by foreign invaders on a sunny fall morning in a land historically immune from foreign invaders. *** Hi Kev~ "historically immune from 'FOREIGN' invaders..." In this instance, I feel 'that' was the vary reason for all the attention & donations... For those that don't agree with my theory, I have two words... Oklahoma City ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #23 June 7, 2004 QuoteI never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Right there with you. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #24 June 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteI never understood the fund in the first place. Terrible things happen every day that nobody gets compensated for. It's called life. Why did the families 9/11 victims deserve such generous compensation when others get zero/zip/nada, or maybe a small payment. Was their pain more deserving than that of the average murder or car accident victim? Right there with you. Of course, the same could be said for the victims of the Kenyan and Tanzanian embassy bombings. Except of course that rescue work was stopped on "US soil" as "they" searched for evidence - even as the screams of the injured faded. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 June 10, 2004 QuoteNone of them deserve the kind of money they got. Something to make up for the loss of income provided by an SO, if that loss is going to hurt you, is what they deserve, not millions of dollars. People should also check out the deal that the NYPD and FDNY spouses get when the loose someone in the line of duty. Continued pay, medical benefits, etc. But they also bitched to get millions in additional compenstation. All about greed. It absolutely is all about greed. People nowadays seem to feel entitled to having personal independent wealth handed to them, without having to work for any of it. If this compensation is about loss of the spouse's earning potential, what makes dying in a terrorist attack any different from losing one's insurance-salesman-husband to a heart attack or a skiing accident? No one rushes in and says, "Here's the $1.3 million he would have earned if he'd lived to the average life expectancy of a white American male." No, in most situations, when something fucked up happens to a family, they gotta simply get their shit together and make it work. If that means Mom goes and hits the employment lines, that's the breaks. If that means the kid goes to community college instead of Cornell, so be it. No one is ENTITLED to the money that so-and-so "would have earned" -- for one thing, because no one even knows if the guy would have lived X number of more years in the first place! What if we compensate some Wall St. widow $5.6 million for a husband who had advanced liver cancer and was destined to die in less than 2 years anyway? Had he NOT died in the attacks, he would have left her without his income, and she wouldn't have someone throwing millions at her. But he dies in the WTC, and now she's entitled to all the unrealized "potential" of his job, as though he were guaranteed to have continued to work, not getting killed, not getting fired, not running off with some floozy, for X number of years? It's ridiculous. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
