QuoteOr this one:
www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.newsDtl&did=1576
Do you honestly expect anyone to take that left wing propaganda machine, the VFW, seriously? I mean, they criticize Bush, they must be a bunch of smelly hippies. No one else could ever find fault with Him.
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QuoteThat's why I classified them as smelly hippies. The non-smelly hippies are behind Bush. It's just the damn smelly ones at the VFW that have a problem with Him.
Him, Him .......
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He brought it up so that people can discuss it and people are. Theoretically, he thought it would work in his favor.
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QuoteKerry actually says very little about platform specifics, plans, or a consistent voting record. The only concrete item that he has brought to the public attention is his military service.
He brought it up so that people can discuss it and people are. Theoretically, he thought it would work in his favor.
Bull. Maybe if you only go by the sound bites shown on half hour news programs. His web site lists very specific plans of action for everythign from homeland security, to the environment, to healthcare, to education, to employment. He just gave the 2nd of three planned speeches outlining the details of how he plans to strengthen homeland security. There are many other sources besides his website for the specifics of his platform as well. Maybe you should do some research on the candidates before deciding for whom to vote instead of making up your mind based on sound bites and propaganda.
Bush has proven that the specifics he gave on his campaign platform last time around (Yucca Mountain, free trade, Leave No Child Behind, social security, election reform, etc.) were all lies. He gave specifics and then did the opposite.
And as far as Kerry's voting record, it has been very consistent. You have to look at the actual bills he voted for and against and see what the tacked on items are instead of just what the title of the bill is.
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QuoteI get tired of hearing the whining from the right
and I get tired of hearing you whining about the right, but I deal with it.
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QuoteKerry served in Vietnam
Did you know that?
I've head it depends on your definition of 'served.'

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QuoteBull. Maybe if you only go by the sound bites shown on half hour news programs. His web site lists very specific plans of action for everythign from homeland security, to the environment, to healthcare, to education, to employment.
That's amazing. I guess we must be reading different websites. I can't get my sound bites from tv, no cable since Feb.
His website falls into 3 categories.
1. Inexact generalities. "Invest in education"
2. Things that are impossible to implement. Changing tax reg for US companies that sell to foreign companies, but if they sell to the US then they get taxed differently. Cars were the example.
What if they do both? Probably they'd have two subsidiaries, one for the US, one for foreign sales. All the overhead and costs would go to the US sales company and it would still pay zero taxes. I have done the books with a US company that has 19 corporations, I know how it is done.
3. Bland, vague generalities and sound bites.
This is not a plan, it is a soundbite:
QuoteNext November, we can change all that,” Kerry continued. “Because in a Kerry Administration, if you are doing your part and doing what’s right – whether you’re a CEO in the corner suite or a worker in an office or on the factory floor – you’ll have a President who honors you, respects your contribution, and who will fight for you and your future everyday.”
Exactly how do you know what I read?

A Three Part Plan to Improve America’s Schools
First, Kerry will form a New National Education Trust Fund that will guarantee that the Federal government meets its obligation to fully fund education priorities. Our children are too important to be subject to the whims of budget cutters in Washington DC.
Second, Kerry would fight to change the No Child Left Behind law to assure that our schools focus on teaching high standards to all children, and do not become drill and kill test prep institutions. John Kerry has already proposed the most comprehensive higher education plan of any candidate. Today, he is outlining a plan to assure every child has the skills to be ready for college.
Third, Kerry is stating his main priorities in education – from higher teacher pay for higher standards to assuring discipline.
A New National Education Trust Fund
John Kerry believes it is time to stop sending mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the resources needed to carry them out. Kerry will make a new deal on education – if Washington is going to mandate accountability for our schools, then the funding should be mandatory. Kerry is proposing a “National Education Trust Fund” to make sure that, for the first time ever, the federal government meets its obligation to fully fund our education priorities.
A Mandatory Trust Fund: Today, education spending is at the discretion of Congress. That means it is vulnerable to Presidents like George W. Bush who send new mandates to the states, but don’t provide the necessary funding. Under Kerry’s National Education Trust Fund, any new education program Congress authorizes will be automatically funded by law. That would mean Congress and the Administration would be prohibited from mandating a program and not funding it.
Full Funding for Elementary and Secondary Education. Kerry’s “National Education Trust Fund” will require an increase in our annual investment in education from its current level of $23.8 billion to about $35 billion by 2008 to meet the full commitment of No Child Left Behind. If NCLB were fully funded this year, Iowa would receive an additional $42 million.
Meeting Our Full Commitment for Special Education. Special education costs are stretching school budgets to the limit, but the federal government only provides less than half of the money that it promised to states and localities to educate children with special needs. The Trust Fund will assure the Federal government meets its full commitment so that children with disabilities get the education they deserve and that funding for special education doesn’t come at the expense of other critical education programs. In Iowa, fully funding special education will bring an additional $1.2 billion to the state over the next ten years.
State Tax Relief and Education Fund. Largely because of the Bush economy, states are being forced to cut back on education. At least 18 states were planning or considering cuts to education this year due to state fiscal crisis. Consequences include teacher layoffs, school closures, and shortened school years. John Kerry has put forward a Fund to stop these cuts. It would invest $25 billion to stop cuts and layoffs in education.
A New National Education Trust Fund
John Kerry believes it is time to stop sending mandates from Washington to school districts without providing the resources needed to carry them out. Kerry will make a new deal on education – if Washington is going to mandate accountability for our schools, then the funding should be mandatory. Kerry is proposing a “National Education Trust Fund” to make sure that, for the first time ever, the federal government meets its obligation to fully fund our education priorities.
A Mandatory Trust Fund: Today, education spending is at the discretion of Congress. That means it is vulnerable to Presidents like George W. Bush who send new mandates to the states, but don’t provide the necessary funding. Under Kerry’s National Education Trust Fund, any new education program Congress authorizes will be automatically funded by law. That would mean Congress and the Administration would be prohibited from mandating a program and not funding it.
Full Funding for Elementary and Secondary Education. Kerry’s “National Education Trust Fund” will require an increase in our annual investment in education from its current level of $23.8 billion to about $35 billion by 2008 to meet the full commitment of No Child Left Behind. If NCLB were fully funded this year, Iowa would receive an additional $42 million.
Meeting Our Full Commitment for Special Education. Special education costs are stretching school budgets to the limit, but the federal government only provides less than half of the money that it promised to states and localities to educate children with special needs. The Trust Fund will assure the Federal government meets its full commitment so that children with disabilities get the education they deserve and that funding for special education doesn’t come at the expense of other critical education programs. In Iowa, fully funding special education will bring an additional $1.2 billion to the state over the next ten years.
State Tax Relief and Education Fund. Largely because of the Bush economy, states are being forced to cut back on education. At least 18 states were planning or considering cuts to education this year due to state fiscal crisis. Consequences include teacher layoffs, school closures, and shortened school years. John Kerry has put forward a Fund to stop these cuts. It would invest $25 billion to stop cuts and layoffs in education.
Lessons Learned: Improving the No Child Left Behind Act
John Kerry believes that the goals of the No Child Left Behind Act -- ensuring that all students learn to high standards and closing the achievement gap -- are the right ones for America’s children. However, to date we have fallen short of these goals due to insufficient funding and problems with the law. Kerry will make important changes to the No Child Left Behind Act to help students reach high standards.
Judge Schools On More Than Just Test Scores. Kerry believes that we need to consider indicators of school performance other than simply test scores. Kerry will revise the accountability standards in No Child Left Behind to include ways of assessing student performance in addition to testing. Under Kerry’s proposal, states will construct a set of leading indicators, subject to review and approval by the U.S. Department of Education, which will comprise part of the school's assessment in the NCLB accountability framework. Possible indicators include graduation rates, teacher attendance, parental satisfaction, and student attendance.
Reward States That Implement High Standards. Kerry is also concerned that No Child Left Behind unintentionally rewards states and districts with low standards and penalizes those with high standards. Since schools, districts, and states are punished if they fail to make adequate progress, the incentive is to set expectations lower rather than higher. Kerry will work to include incentives in the law to reward states, districts, and schools that implement higher standards.
Ensure the Law Works for States, Schools, and Teachers. John Kerry will also support reforms that give states and school districts greater freedom to target assistance to schools with the most extensive academic difficulties; ensure that the federal government provides funding for professional development requirements in the law; require that every single group or program that receives funding from No Child Left Behind fully complies with federal civil rights laws; and close loopholes in the law’s definition of “highly qualified” teachers.
Improving K-12 Education: Support - Not Soundbites - for America's Teachers.
The evidence is clear that the quality of a student’s teacher is the single biggest factor in the quality of a child's education. While most politicians just talk about the importance of teachers, John Kerry believes we must actually do more to support and reward teaching. In order to reach our goal of all students learning to high standards, we need highly-qualified teachers and principals in every school and classroom. This challenge is even greater given that two million teachers must be hired over the next decade to accommodate rapidly growing student enrollment and an aging teaching force.
"Higher Teacher Pay for Higher Standards” John Kerry believes that we cannot successfully improve public education without paying our teachers like the professionals that they are. Kerry’s proposal will provide higher pay for teachers in exchange for implementing higher standards. In order to qualify for funding, school districts will have to submit a plan that includes strong professional development plan for the district’s teachers; an aggressive plan to ensure that every teacher is qualified in his/her subject area; and a plan for increasing the number of master teachers and teacher mentors in schools.
Improving K-12 Education: Recruit and Train School Principals
School Leaders Are Critical to a School’s Success. Many of today’s principals are reaching the age of retirement, and there is clear evidence that reveals a decline in the number of candidates for each opening. The attrition rate for elementary school principals now stands at 42 percent for the decade from 1988 to 1998, and it is expected to remain at least as high through this decade. A strong principal can create the climate that fosters excellence in teaching and learning while an ineffective one can quickly thwart the progress of the most dedicated teachers and reformers.
John Kerry’s Plan to Help Recruit and Train School Leaders. Kerry will invest in high-quality school leaders by providing $120 million annually for the School Leadership Program to recruit and train principals in every low-performing or high-needs school across the country.
Improving K-12 Education: Ensuring School Discipline and Creating 'Second-Chance Programs'
Classrooms Without Discipline Are Ineffective: If a classroom or a school is not safe and orderly most other education proposals and ideas are ineffective. Kerry will ensure that teachers and school districts can remove chronically disruptive and violent students from the classroom. Violent or disruptive students are often in desperate need of services, supports, and greater levels of attention than are provided in the traditional classroom. We have a choice: Either we can help these young people while they are in school, while we know where to find them or we can deal with them later when they drop out of school or end up in the juvenile justice system.
Kerry’s Plan to Assure Discipline and Give Kids a Second Chance. Kerry would rather invest in these young people today. Kerry will ensure that all chronically disruptive or violence students removed from classrooms will be placed in alternative learning environments, “second-chance schools” where they can receive the intensive help and service they need to excel. Kerry will insist that alternative education programs are of high quality so that students can make the progress and improvements necessary to reach high standards.
Improving K-12 Education: Investing in School Construction and Modernizing
Schools Are in Need of Repair: We can’t ask America’s kids to meet high standards in schools that are falling down. There are $127 billion worth of school construction and emergency repair needs nationally; 14 million children are learning in substandard schools in need of major renovation; and half of all schools have at least one unsatisfactory environmental condition, such as polluted drinking water or soot-filled ventilation.
Kerry’s Plan for School Construction: John Kerry supports allowing the federal government to issue $24.8 billion in school modernization bonds in order to help states and school districts repair and build modern schools. In order to expand choice within the public school system, Kerry’s school construction fund will include dedicated funding for charter schools. The greatest barrier to the expansion of charter schools is the lack of funding for facilities
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QuoteQuoteKerry served in Vietnam
Did you know that?
I've head it depends on your definition of 'served.'
Just as vague as Clinton's definition of 'sex.'
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Notes/questions to/for Kerry:
- Presidents do not appropriate $$
- States are responsible for their own budgets.
- Your buddy Ted Kennedy wrote the President's education bill.
- You buffoons were screaming about deficits and this is another spending increase you're proposing. Any comment on that?
- Not everyone should go to college. Standards have been lowered enough.
- How do you plan to separate your 'NETF' from the general fund? Like the Environmental Superfund I suspect? Bwwwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.
- If you had problems with the law (NCLB), why didn't you bring them up on the Senate floor prior to the vote?
- Kids learn math in third world nations on dirt floors better than in many American classrooms.
Dear Lord this man doesn't have a clue.

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QuoteQuoteI get tired of hearing the whining from the right
and I get tired of hearing you whining about the right, but I deal with it.
Apparently the sarcasm escaped you.
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QuoteThis show's Kerry's lack of understanding of the Constitution, basic government, and current events.
This shows Anvil's lack of understanding of how the real world works and that just because something is written down doesn't mean that's the way it is.
Quote- Presidents do not appropriate $$
In the strictest sense, true. But money is appropriated for them to use at their discretion within broad guidelines. They also make requests for allocations and lobby congress for same.
QuoteStates are responsible for their own budgets.
And they receive federal funding.
QuoteYour buddy Ted Kennedy wrote the President's education bill.
Unlike you, I'm not a partisan sheep. Find one instance of me ever saying anything good about Ted Kennedy other than that he can probably drink me under the table.
Quote- You buffoons were screaming about deficits and this is another spending increase you're proposing. Any comment on that?
Yes, roll back the tax cuts and stop wasting money on corporate welfare and needless military operations.
Quote- Not everyone should go to college. Standards have been lowered enough.
Everyone should have the opportunity too.
Quote- How do you plan to separate your 'NETF' from the general fund? Like the Environmental Superfund I suspect? Bwwwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.
Not sure what you're getting at...but apparently it's funny.
Quote- If you had problems with the law (NCLB), why didn't you bring them up on the Senate floor prior to the vote?
Just because John Kerry voted 'yea' on a piece of legislation, it is wrong to conclude that he agrees wholeheartedly with every single provision of that legislation, or that he wholeheartedly disagrees with every provision in every bill on which he voted 'nay'. It just doesn't work that way. And this should be clear to anyone with more than a sixth-grade understanding of our government.
Quote- Kids learn math in third world nations on dirt floors better than in many American classrooms.
And then grow up to live in poverty.
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QuoteDid you know that?
I think I hear that every time he opens his mouth, no matter what...
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
The issue doesn't get the attention it deserves. Quite surprising given the left-leaning tilt of the mainstream media.
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