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[PhillyKev 0]

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I just think that this attitude that most Dems seem to have that if we "play nice" everyone will like us is a load of crap.

That is a load of crap. It's also a load of carp that most Dems think that.

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That and this belief that the UN can somehow solve these problems.

I don't know anyone that claimed they could do anything about terrorism. They sure as hell could have helped in Iraq though.

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OBL and his crowd will never stop trying to destroy the West and Israel until they themselves are destroyed, and that is my paramount concern.

So why support someone who diverts their attention away from them and toward another direction (iraq)?

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would love to hear how your guy is going to solve the problem, if you have a moment.

Ok....here goes.

-Roll back the tax cuts so that the budget cuts for firefighters and police that Bush implemented causeing firehouses to be closed in NYC and cops to be fired can be elliminated.

-Better fund the Maritime Transportation Act of 2002 which focuses on the security of ports (98% of our shipping) then the piddly $200 million Bush gave it.

-Develop minimum safety standards for industry and infrastructure (power plants, railroad, etc.) instead of Bush's policy of leaving it up to corporate discretion.

-Create a Homeland Security Corps that would give local communities resources to hire 5,000 additional law enforcement officials who are trained in Homeland Security to help coordinate efforts in their communities.

-immediately fund the backlog of requests for protective gear, assuring that these resources go directly to first responders rather than trickling through the bureaucracy, and provide them with the communications equipment necessary to respond to an attack in a coordinated manner.

-Build stronger alliances with other nations instead of alienating them so that we can cooperate in the fight agains terror.

-expand the Nunn/Lugar program to buy up and destroy stockpiles of loose WMD materials from other nations

-Concentrate efforts in Afghanistan

-assist human rights groups, independent media, and labor unions dedicated to building a democratic culture in the middle east.

[PhillyKev 0]

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It would be a violation of many people security clearences to point out MANY success Homeland security has had. If the common person knew how many actions have been thwarted they would be astonished!!!!!!!.

Chris

Yet people can claim Clinton didn't do anything other than "lob a few missiles". How can you claim that Bush has had successes we dno't know about but say the opposite about Clinton? Can't have it both ways.

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I am not comparing foriegn policy. I am talking about Homeland Securtity. That is a department BTW Clinton didn't have. It has been pretty successful.

Of course if one thing in the USA happens people like you will say it was a failure.

I we stopped 200 attacks but one got through I would hardly call it a failure.

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[meltdown 0]

I just think that this attitude that most Dems seem to have that if we "play nice" everyone will like us is a load of crap.

----------------------------------------------------------That is a load of crap. It's also a load of carp that most Dems think that.

So, if we elect Kerry and rejoin the "community of nations" or whatever the happy phrase is, everyone will like us? I can't wait for the open armed reunion.

[PhillyKev 0]

I'm pretty sure I just said that is a load of crap.

However, by not alienating our traditional allies, we will be better equipped to fight our enemies.

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I'm pretty sure I just said that is a load of crap.
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Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your post.

[kallend 2,174]

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Can you tell me what the current administration has done to protect us?
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They have taken the fight to the terrorists, which is at least a start. .

Well, it WAS a start until they got sidetracked onto Bush's vendetta against Iraq.

Now they are apparently strengthening the terrorists.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Holy Shit...I just read the posting that started this thread. These people are nothing more than clones of Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar (of the Taliban). The only difference is which symbol they pray to, the cross or the crescent....

Theocracy is what both of these types advocate. I did not enter the Armed Forces to perpetuate a Theocracy...

I'd say these people need to be shot, but they'd have more power as martyrs. Send them to some desolate South Pacific island, and never allow them to return....

People like that are why I am agnostic...

[TheAnvil 0]

Bzzzt. Wrong. You've selectively picked out quotes from conservatives in a vain attempt to calumniate> the current administration.

Now, if Kerry really didn't throw his courage away with his medals at Dewey Canyon, he could state the following:

I support racial discrimination because...

Racial discrimination now...racial discrimination tomorrow...racial discrimination forever.

Hey MTV kids! I don't want you being ignorant of the issues facing you today! Here are your free videotapes of a real live abortion taking place! And as a bonus - a partial birth clip too! Can't have you voting on an issue when you haven't seen what you're voting about!

I flip floped on because...

I want to raise your taxes because....

Just because I want to socialize medicine doesn't mean I don't want debt reduction! Here are the government programs I want to eliminate/reduce to pay for my socialized medicine scheme....

I think you get the pic.

Have a peachy day.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[billvon 3,131]

>So, if we elect Kerry and rejoin the "community of nations" or whatever the
>happy phrase is, everyone will like us? I can't wait for the open armed
>reunion.

A lot of people liked us after 9/11. As a result, most of the leadership of Al Qaeda was captured and brought to justice by our allies. Is that the sort of cooperation you are making fun of?

We need worldwide cooperation to prevent terror attacks. If every arab country is willing to let Al Qaeda operatives set up camps and plan attacks, ten Tom Ridges won't do a damn thing to stop the next attack. If the arab countries realize that we can be reasonable, can (sometimes) get what they want, and realize that cooperation with us brings far more benefits than being recalcitrant does - then we will have gone a long way towards denying Al Qaeda the ability to launch attacks against us.

So yes, being part of a worldwide community instead of the biggest bully will pay huge dividends, both to us and our children.

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most of the leadership of Al Qaeda was captured and brought to justice by our allies.

Well, a lot were captured and then released by our allies because we refused to let others that we have in custody be available for their trials. So those countries were forced to follow ther rules of law and dismiss the cases.

[PhillyKev 0]

Post wasn't really for you. I don't expect you to change your opinions any time soon. Your assimilation into the GOP has been completed.

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We need worldwide cooperation to prevent terror attacks. If every arab country is willing to let Al Qaeda operatives set up camps and plan attacks, ten Tom Ridges won't do a damn thing to stop the next attack. If the arab countries realize that we can be reasonable, can (sometimes) get what they want, and realize that cooperation with us brings far more benefits than being recalcitrant does - then we will have gone a long way towards denying Al Qaeda the ability to launch attacks against us.

So yes, being part of a worldwide community instead of the biggest bully will pay huge dividends, both to us and our children.

Good post. I think most people do not understand how critically important the Israeli / Palestinian conflict is when it comes to the problem of radical fundamentalist Islam.

The Palestinian problem is like a cancer in the mind of Muslims and a peaceful settlement that satisfies both sides would be the greatest antidote against the radicalization of Muslims in the Middle East (much easier said then done of course). The US policies in regard to this problem have been pathetic and worsen the situation.

Unfortunately the Bush administration totally lacks the understanding of the way these people think and their culture and history. The way they “planned” the post-conflict Iraq situation clearly demonstrates that.

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"A lot of people liked us after 9/11"

On the surface, sure. Deep down, I doubt it. There were people saying we deserved it right from the start. In Europe, the middle east, and everywhere else. This was long before Iraq. Arab countries have been teaching their kids to hate the West long before Bush came along, and they will continue when he's gone.

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"A lot of people liked us after 9/11"

On the surface, sure. Deep down, I doubt it. There were people saying we deserved it right from the start. In Europe, the middle east, and everywhere else. This was long before Iraq. Arab countries have been teaching their kids to hate the West long before Bush came along, and they will continue when he's gone.

Hell, even Jerry Falwell was saying it. (see the original post).

edit because I originally attributed it to the wrong religious whacko

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Hell, even Jerry Falwell was saying it.

Maybe we should nuke Falwell?

[billvon 3,131]

>On the surface, sure. Deep down, I doubt it. There were people saying we
>deserved it right from the start.

The headline of the French paper Le Monde declared on September 12th "We are all Americans now." We got offers of assistance, offers that were followed up with actions against Al Qaeda, arrests of top leaders etc. For a short time it was a very bad thing to belong to Al Qaeda.

Now we are back where we were before. Nowadays, Al Qaeda are the people helping peace-loving Iraqis to roust a brutal foreign occupation. That's a much easier image to have if you want support from the locals.

> Arab countries have been teaching their kids to hate the West long before
>Bush came along, and they will continue when he's gone.

I don't think Palestinians need to teach their kids to hate the Jews and their allies. When your father is killed by an Israeli rocket attack, it's easy to figure out who to hate. They feel the same way about Israel that you feel about Al Qaeda.

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When your father is killed by an Israeli rocket attack, it's easy to figure out who to hate.

if his father was planning to blow up a bus in israel...

education is the base for peace, and even in more peaceful times their school books remained the same.
and i'm not talking about palestinians only, egypt for example, which has a peace treaty with us still has horrific texts like "the jews use babies' blood for religious worship" and so on...

these things may sound "funny" to you but when you pump it into a child's brain for years, he will believe it.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"Deep down, I doubt it. There were people saying we deserved it right from the start. In Europe, the middle east, and everywhere else. "

I'm apalled and disappointed that you have this opinion. I was working in Germany at that time, we were getting a heavy duty land rig (serious oil drilling stuff) ready for deployment to Khazakstan. I saw some pretty big and beefy drilling guys (hardened oilfield types) openly and shamelessly cry, and I was one of them. We retired to the local bar, as the scenes were replayed on the news channel, everyone I saw felt your pain, without exception.

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[Skyrad 0]

***"the jews use babies' blood for religious worship" and so on... ***
It was a common belife here in the UK until about a hundred years ago, unfortunately some people still belive it.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

Wow! Thats a whole lot of hate. Some of it even borders on the psychotic. These people are no better than OBL and his nutters.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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I'm apalled and disappointed that you have this opinion
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Temporary sympathy and "liking" are not interchangeable. You don't go from hating, to liking, to hating, all in the span of a few months. It's more like hating, with a short sympathy inspired respite, then back to the norm. At least that's how it appeared to me.