The heroes of the Right.

[PhillyKev 0]

The following views are what the current administration represent.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
--Ann Coulter,

"And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'."
Thursday, Sept. 13, 2001--Rev. Jerry Falwell, in an appearance on Pat Robertson's The 700 Club

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women.
It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement
that encourages women to leave their husbands,
kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
-- Pat Robertson,

"The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."
-- William Rehnquist

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?"
-- Rev. Jimmy Swaggart,

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-- Randall Terry,

"Gays who practice oral sex verge on consuming raw human blood"
-- Paul Cameron

"Unique among the nations, America recognized the source of our character as being godly and eternal, not being civic and temporal. And because we have understood that our source is eternal, America has been different. We have no king but Jesus."
-- John Ashcroft

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."
-- Pat Buchanan

" We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."
-- Gary Bauer

"What beat me was more homosexual money than in any race in history, including from a group called Lesbians for Motherhood."
--Ousted Orange County, Calif., Congressman Bob Dornan

"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and holy communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."
-- Gary North

"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."
--Bailey Smith,

"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."
--Gary Potter

"The [Supreme} Court by seeking to equate Christianity with
other religions merely assaults the one faith. The Court in
essence is assailing the true God by democratizing the Christian
religion."
John Whitehead

"I'm an old-fashioned woman. Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women (today) we wouldn't have to vote."
State Sen. Kay O'Connor

"Get the few liberals out. If you don't do it, it ain't gonna be done," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, told the crowd at the Washington Convention Center. "You will be doing the Lord's work, and he will richly bless you for it."

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Dude, you got some serious time on your hands. And, by the way, many of those people only represent a small segment of what you may consider the "right".

[Deuce 1]

"And he looked upon the hybrid base, and smote it"

ChopChop

[rehmwa 2]

that's equivalent to saying the following are heroes of the left:

jesse jackson
al franken
various communist leaders
pelosi
skyrad
ned flanders

etc

give me a break - no one thinks that their fringe elements are heroes, more like the crazy uncle that should be heard but only listened to VERY carefully for whatever good stuff might be hidden behind the wacko stuff

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[PhillyKev 0]

You're right. These views are not those of the majority of right leaning people. But they are the views of the current administration. That's why I can't understand why people who lean right would continue to support it.

Please take a look at the people these quotes are from. Several congress people and senators. The Attorney General of the US (2nd most powerful man in the country), and a supreme court justice. They are fringe elements?

[PhillyKev 0]

These are the apparent "fringe elements" quoted above:

William Rehnquist
John Ashcroft
Congressman Bob Dornan
Sen. Kay O'Connor
Sen. James Inhofe

Hello...these are the people that are IN POWER. But when you see what their views are they are labeled "fringe elements"

[rehmwa 2]

Right, Kucinich is centrist
Pelosi is centrist
etc ad nauseum

the left also has wackos on the fringe as well - but someone on the right might also group them all together as well even though within that group the differences would be obvious

I didn't read your whole list as it was a bit of overkill,

Shrek M&Ms look like they have cancer

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[PhillyKev 0]

As I said above, I don't believe most people on the right believe the same way that these people do. But they do keep putting them in power. I'm just trying to educate you on who the people are that you vote for.

[storm1977 0]

Well look at Sen Kennedy... The left keeps putting that whako in power???? Go figure

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[rehmwa 2]

You don't know who I vote for. (Ashcroft is appointed, those senators aren't in my state - cripes we had Wellstone - talk about extreme) And I do my own research. You are being presumptive. But thanks, I'm sure you mean well. And you are cool since you know the 'Coz

But Shrek M&M's do taste good.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[lawrocket 3]

Note: I agree with you on everything but the Rehnquist point.

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a supreme court justice.

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"The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."
-- William Rehnquist

so, tell me, Kev. Rehnquist is a such a fringe element... Tell me where it says, "wall of separation between church and state." is in the Constitution? Hmm? Does it say that? No. It doesn't.

So, where'd it come from, eh? On January 1, 1802, Thomas Jefferson sent a letter to the Danbury Congregation of Connecticut to tell them that there would be no national religion, as they feared. He wrote:

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I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. (1)

HE said that there would be no national religion, and their congregation was fine.

It wasn't the Supreme Court that said it. I think that Rehnquist was DEAD ON ACCURATE in his characterization of it. I wonder how many people thing "separation between church and state" is in the Constitution.

Rehnquist is right. But, this is the sam Rehnquist who correctly stated that the Miranda rights are nowhere in the Constitution, but wouldn't overrule the Miranda decision because it's become too much a part of society.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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That's why I can't understand why people who lean right would continue to support it.
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I'll tell you why I support it. I just don't think most leaders on the left understand or care to understand the seriousness of the threats to this country and to the West in general. I am against MUCH of what this administration has done (particularly domestic policy), but I just don't think the Democrats can offer anything other than blaming the president. Doing what Clinton did (lobbing a few cruise missiles in their general direction) in response to terrorist attacks on our soil only encourages them to do more. I'm not a huge Bush fan, but I just think Kerry is too much like Clinton to do any better.

[rehmwa 2]

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As I said above, I don't believe most people on the right believe the same way that these people do. But they do keep putting them in power. I'm just trying to educate you on who the people are that you vote for.

Seriously -
1 - I vote the best candidate that is on the ballot. It's a pretty short list and none are perfect (which seems to be the typical gripe). So why doesn't the Dems bring up someone palatable to more of the whole populace rather than cater to their angry fringe element. They'd win in a landslide. Because they can't bear to. The special programs and giveaways are too dear to part with.

2 - By your admission, I must now assume that ned flanders and nancy pelosi are your heroes - talk about an internal struggle

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[PhillyKev 0]

When I said "you" i meant the collective, not you in particular. If you don't support people with these views, I'm glad. I posted this so that people who do might think twice and so that people will consider doing what you say you do and research candidates before voting for them.

It may be hard to believe, but in the last couple of elections I voted for more republicans than democrats. There are fringe elements on both sides. But the side that wields power now seems to be kowtowing to the fringe elements on their side.

As to Ashcroft being appointed, who appointed him?

[lawrocket 3]

I'll disagree with you. I think the right wing has done more to dismantle individual rights in these last three years than everyone in the last 50.

"But it's in response to a threat." If choosing between a free life and chance at death, I'll take living free.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[PhillyKev 0]

Can you tell me what the current administration has done to protect us? I know what their efforts are, but can you point out their successes?

[TomAiello 26]

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As I said above, I don't believe most people on the right believe the same way that these people do. But they do keep putting them in power. I'm just trying to educate you on who the people are that you vote for.

I think it's a case of "lesser evil". I generally agree with you (assuming I've got your viewpoint right) on the quoted statements.

I'm still going to vote for Bush. Why? Kerry's beliefs on healthcare spring immediately to mind. Also, the fact that if congress passed a far left law that I found repugnant, Bush would be more likely to veto it than Kerry (even if Kerry personally disagreed with it).

It's really not that hard to understand. I vote based largely on political reality, rather than pure ideals. If I voted solely on my conscience, I'd be voting Libertarian in every election (as it is, I've only done that about half the time).

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[PhillyKev 0]

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I vote based largely on political reality, rather than pure ideals. If I voted solely on my conscience, I'd be voting Libertarian in every election (as it is, I've only done that about half the time).

ditto that.

[meltdown 0]

Can you tell me what the current administration has done to protect us?
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They have taken the fight to the terrorists, which is at least a start. The FBI and CIA can now share information, which helps also. I'm not saying they have solved the problem; in fact, many huge holes remain, particularly our unprotected borders. I just think that this attitude that most Dems seem to have that if we "play nice" everyone will like us is a load of crap. That and this belief that the UN can somehow solve these problems. OBL and his crowd will never stop trying to destroy the West and Israel until they themselves are destroyed, and that is my paramount concern. I would love to hear how your guy is going to solve the problem, if you have a moment.

[TomAiello 26]

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I know what their efforts are, but can you point out their successes?

I don't think that's a fair criticism. In an effort to contain terrorist forces, often the successes either aren't realized (because the terrorist attack simply never materializes) or can't be publicized (for fear of compromising intelligence gained).

I'd bet there are a fair sight more successes than we hear about.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[rehmwa 2]

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I vote based largely on political reality, rather than pure ideals. If I voted solely on my conscience, I'd be voting Libertarian in every election (as it is, I've only done that about half the time).

ditto that.

There's a ton of us out there, too bad the only official candidates in this arena continue to be isolationist nut jobs and not real libertarians.

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[meltdown 0]

I can't see how this pertains to my post, but I personally haven't changed my lifestyle one bit since Bush took office (other than that I make a lot more money now). I do live free as far as I'm concerned.

[TomAiello 26]

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There's a ton of us out there, too bad the only official candidates in this arena continue to be isolationist nut jobs and not real libertarians.

Not true. I've met several Libertarian party candidates including Harry Brown who really seemed quite well grounded and realistic.

There are plenty of "not nut" Libertarian organizations out there. I'm a particular fan of the Institute for Humane Studies, perhaps because I met my wife at one if their seminars.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[TomAiello 26]

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I do live free as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, but...

Remember the old Hitler era quote about "...when they finally came for me, there was no one left to protest."

The erosion of rights in society generally does have a collateral effect on me. It's possible (although in my mind unlikely) that it might one day have a direct effect as well.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[storm1977 0]

It would be a violation of many people security clearences to point out MANY success Homeland security has had. If the common person knew how many actions have been thwarted they would be astonished!!!!!!!.

Chris

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