Concealed carry laws in Texas?

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Anybody have any stats on concealed carry laws in Texas? Number of people that do and don't? Percentages of people that do in large cities, say, Dallas for instance, compared to other large cities where you can't, say . . . New York?

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[AggieDave 6]

Let me look for the numbers, I've seen them before on the web...just note that they'll be slightly skewed since a lot of the big towns are college towns and a lot of college students have them. That and they're tracked via the perminant address, usually the parents, for instance, College Station has one of the higher concentrations of CCL holders, but the official stats don't show it due to it being listed differently.

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[AggieDave 6]

Go here: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/demographics.htm

Dear god man, don't you know how to use Google?

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Well, yes, but I was actually hoping for a little something "extra" in that question.

All will be revealed in good time.

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[AggieDave 6]

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All will be revealed in good time.

Yeah, you're going to try to disprove the facts that have been laid out via statewide statistics about the violent crime dropping significantly in Texas and other states, after a CCW was passed and became available.

So go on, I know you're against my civil right to have firearms, and the state issued extension of that to be able to protect myself outside of my home.

What you call the "big gun lobby" I call Civil Rights Activists, thus truely, those against firearms are simply trying to revoke my civil rights. They might as well take away freedom of the press or religion, they're not important either.

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[Duckwater 0]

DALLAS (May 26, 2000) - Marking the fifth anniversary of Texas' concealed carry law, a new report from the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) shows that Texans with concealed carry permits are far less likely to commit a serious crime than the average citizen.

"Many predicted that minor incidents would escalate into bloody shootouts if Texas passed a concealed-carry law," said H. Sterling Burnett, a senior policy analyst at the NCPA and the author of the report. "That prediction was dead wrong."

In 1995, Texas Gov. George W. Bush signed a law granting Texans the right to carry concealed firearms. This made Texas the 23 state to pass a concealed carry law since 1986.

According to the report, the slightly more than 200,000 Texans who have become licensed to carry a concealed firearm are much more law-abiding than the average person. Comparing arrest rates for example:


Texans who exercise their right to carry firearms are 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for a violent offense.

They are 14 times less likely to be arrested for a non-violent offense.

They are 1.4 times less likely to be arrested for murder.
Moreover, of the six licensees who were arrested and tried for murder or non-negligent manslaughter, four were found not guilty because they had acted in self-defense.

The right to carry may also be affecting Texas' crime rate in a positive way. Texas had a serious crime rate in the early 1990s that was 38 percent higher than the national average.


Since then, serious crime in Texas has dropped 50 percent faster than for the nation as a whole.

Murder rates have dropped 52 percent, compared to 33 percent nationally.

Rapes have fallen by 22 percent compared to 16 percent nationally.
This experience is consistent with the experience of other states with concealed carry laws. According to University of Chicago law professor John Lott, concealed handgun laws on average reduce murder by 8.5 percent, rape by 5 percent and severe assault by 7 percent.

"Far from recreating the Wild West, concealed carry laws create a safer society," said Burnett. "The law allows law-abiding citizens to protect themselves."

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I guess that was then and THIS is now.

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City No. 1 In Robberies, Burglaries Per Capita

POSTED: 10:51 a.m. CDT May 25, 2004
UPDATED: 11:06 a.m. CDT May 25, 2004

DALLAS -- As expected, FBI statistics for 2003 show Dallas has the highest overall crime rate among the country's largest cities for the sixth year in a row.

City and police officials have known since last summer that Dallas was on track to keep the top crime spot. Since then, they have instituted new crime initiatives, fired the police chief and replaced him with a proven crime fighter, former Arlington Police Chief David Kunkle.

"We've known that we would be hampered by last year's numbers. That's what they are last year's," Mayor Laura Miller said. "We're really happy with the trend we've seen so far in 2004."

Rough numbers as of Monday for the first five months of 2004 show about a 6 percent drop in the major crime categories compared with this time last year, interim Police Chief Randy Hampton said.

Violent crimes -- murders, rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults -- are down about 8 percent, while property crimes -- burglaries, thefts and auto thefts -- have fallen 5.7 percent, he said in Tuesday's edition of The Dallas Morning News.

Those numbers won't be final until mid-2005.

The final 2003 statistics released Monday by the FBI show Dallas was No. 1 in robberies and burglaries per capita, but No. 3 in murders, rapes and aggravated assaults among the nation's nine largest cities.

The FBI's uniform crime reporting program also showed that the city had the second-highest rate for vehicle thefts and other property thefts.

Kunkle, who starts as chief June 28, said the FBI statistics are largely fueled by thefts and do not mean that Dallas is more dangerous than other large cities.

Detroit, the nation's 10th-largest city, had more than 50 percent more murders than Dallas in 2003 and nearly double the city's rate for rapes, aggravated assaults and auto thefts, but statistics show Dallas had a slightly higher crime rate overall. One reason is that Detroit had 25,353 reported thefts, while Dallas had 58,554.

The FBI discourages city crime comparisons because reporting disparities and various sociological factors skew the numbers.

Which I really wanted to post to actually attempt to disprove both sides of the argument and let you (possibly y'all) know I agree with the FBI in their statement that there are just too many other factors involved to state categorically what is or is not the root cause or prevention -- especially when comparing wildly different areas of the country.

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[Duckwater 0]

This has everything you would want...Where are the traffic ticket records?

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlsindex.htm

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According to University of Chicago law professor John Lott, concealed handgun laws on average reduce murder by 8.5 percent, rape by 5 percent and severe assault by 7 percent.

If the rest of the report is as incorrect as this, it is a load of rubbish.

Here is the faculty of the U. of Chicago Law School.

www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/index-faculty.html

There is no John Lott listed.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Detroit, the nation's 10th-largest city, had more than 50 percent more murders than Dallas in 2003 and nearly double the city's rate for rapes, aggravated assaults and auto thefts, but statistics show Dallas had a slightly higher crime rate overall. One reason is that Detroit had 25,353 reported thefts, while Dallas had 58,554.

Read what you post man.

Basically, Dallas "won" out not due to violent crime, which HAS been affected compared to previous rates due to the CCL/CCW program, but got screwed with petty theft.

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[AggieDave 6]

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There is no John Lott listed.

Was he there in 2000?

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[kallend 2,148]

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There is no John Lott listed.

Was he there in 2000?

He has never been a professor on the law faculty in Chicago. In fact, I don't think he claims to have been. I believe he spent some time there as a visitor a few years back.

This misinformation was invented somewhere else and propagated by internet.

Edited to add: he was a "visiting assistant professor" in the Business school from 1995-98.

Lott is quite up-front about it. Someone else is trying to make him look far better credentialled than he is.

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Which I really wanted to post to actually attempt to disprove both sides of the argument and let you (possibly y'all) know I agree with the FBI in their statement that there are just too many other factors involved to state categorically what is or is not the root cause or prevention -- especially when comparing wildly different areas of the country.

So, when we compare what happened in "wildly different areas of the country" after they passed a certain law, and we find that in each case the murder rate decreased, rape rate decreased, other violent crime rates decreased, and that violent crime rates have continued to decrease faster than the national average, why would you deny that the law in question had something to do with the drop in crimes?

The concealed carry laws were passed at different times, in "wildly different areas of the country," yet they had the same effect.

Are you going to tell me that the drops in crime happened in different times, in different places, and they just happened to coincide with the CCW passage?

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What I'm going to say is what the FBI says . . . you can't make meaningful comparisons either way.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Someone else is trying to make him look far better credentialled than he is.

Heh, must be a nice problem to have and a severe nuisance.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I guess that was then and THIS is now.

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DALLAS -- As expected, FBI statistics for 2003 show Dallas has the highest overall crime rate among the country's largest cities for the sixth year in a row.

Um, okay, and did you miss the part where the other article talked about the state of Texas, and yours singles out DALLAS -- ONE CITY?

At any rate, does your article mention any contribution to the "overall crime rate" by those licensed to carry concealed weapons? No? I didn't think so.

So even if your thesis is to show that in Dallas, CCW didn't lower the crime rate, NEITHER does it show that allowing citizens to carry firearms for their own defense contribute TO the crime rate.

Thanks for playing.

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[kallend 2,148]

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Someone else is trying to make him look far better credentialled than he is.

Heh, must be a nice problem to have and a severe nuisance.

Well, to this academic it suggests that the article's authors did not actually go to the original Lott article for their data, but simply took a summary from elsewhere that has propagated the attribution error.

That's a serious no-no in research.

If this were submitted to a peer reviewed journal, that would be grounds for rejection. Which is probably why it's privately published. A text version of "Bowling for Columbine"

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What I'm going to say is what the FBI says . . . you can't make meaningful comparisons either way.

Seems to me that your article corroborated the first. It said that the crime rate has decreased in Dallas. It said Dallas has the highest crime rate in Texas, but who cares. The ccl law is state wide. You're comparing an apple to itself.

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