bodypilot90 0 #1 May 25, 2004 New York, NY, May. 24 (UPI) -- A survey by the non-profit Pew Research Center lends credence to the theory that the news media is teeming with liberals. Self-identified liberals outnumber their conservative counterparts by 27 percentage points at national news organizations, Editor and Publisher reports, 34 percent to 7 percent. Among the general public, conservatives outnumber liberals 20 percent to 33 percent. The poll excluded respondents who identified themselves as "moderate." The rate was more even among local outlets and Web sites. Among local newsroom workers, 23 percent of respondents said they were liberal vs. 12 percent who said they were conservative, while 27 percent of Web site workers said they were liberal vs. 13 percent who said they were conservative. Among the news outlets themselves, Fox News won the "especially conservative" label among 69 percent of national journalists, while about one in five said The New York Times was "especially liberal." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #2 May 25, 2004 Out of curiosity, do you agree with their conclusion that Fox News is "especially conservative"? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #3 May 25, 2004 Did you read the whole article? It's interesting. Here's a link. Something to consider is that it could be that working in a news environment might make one more liberal, and wanting to get more viewpoints on a story -- that's one of the functions of news organizations. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #4 May 25, 2004 It's a free country. Anyone, even you, can open a newspaper and promote their viewpoint. The overwhelming majority of media outlets are owned by big corporations or wealthy individuals, not by the NAACP, ACLU or Sierra Club. If the media have a liberal bias, it just reflects badly on conservatives for media incompetence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #5 May 25, 2004 QuoteOut of curiosity, do you agree with their conclusion that Fox News is "especially conservative"? only when compared with liberal media. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 May 25, 2004 Further proof that the more educated a group is the more likely they are to be liberal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #7 May 25, 2004 QuoteSomething to consider is that it could be that working in a news environment might make one more liberal, and wanting to get more viewpoints on a story -- that's one of the functions of news organizations. That could be true... Personally, I have objections to methodology. The stats as posted ignore those who voted "moderate", moderate liberal or conservative. Conincidentally, the middle is exactly where most people think they fit. IE, they ignored the majority. On a national level, over 60% of reporters answered "moderate". The results (as posted) are biased towards the extreme. All this says is that there are more extreme liberals then there are extreme conservatives. It says nothing about the overall bias, because it didn't count the middle. That makes the numbers as posted to this thread completely irrelevant. It seems like the author of this thread missed the point of the study... _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #8 May 25, 2004 QuoteIf the media have a liberal bias, and it does. Quoteit just reflects badly on conservatives for media incompetence. no it means conservatives choose no tot work in the media, perhaps because of the bias in the media or in the education system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #9 May 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf the media have a liberal bias, and it does. Quoteit just reflects badly on conservatives for media incompetence. no it means conservatives choose no tot work in the media, perhaps because of the bias in the media or in the education system. Oh cry me a river. Maybe it means they won't put their money where their mouths are. It's a FREE COUNTRY. Conservatives can work in schools, universities, newspapers and broadcast media. Apparently they choose not to.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #10 May 25, 2004 QuoteConservatives can work in schools, universities, newspapers and broadcast media. Apparently they choose not to. Liberals can serve in the military and Federal Law Enforcement. Apparently they're too scared to. My statement makes as much sense as yours. Different jobs attract different types of people. It has nothing to do with intelligence or exposure to the "truth". The bottom line is that public opinion is being shaped by a media that is increasingly liberally biased. The media is increasingly viewed with suspicion by the American people because of this. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 May 25, 2004 Quote The poll excluded respondents who identified themselves as "moderate." If you're going to throw out more than half of the data collected, then your methods are pretty freekin' meaningless. Further, this "poll" didn't find out what people were, only what they thought they were. So, maybe there is a huge group of ultra right wingers out there that "think" they're simply moderate, well, they got thrown out to begin with so, like I said, this is a pretty meaningless pos. Or, could nobody else see that? Lastly, I'm looking at http://people-press.org/news/ right now and can't find the report/poll the article seems to be talking about. Anybody know where to find the actual data?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #12 May 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteConservatives can work in schools, universities, newspapers and broadcast media. Apparently they choose not to. Liberals can serve in the military and Federal Law Enforcement. Apparently they're too scared to. My statement makes as much sense as yours. Different jobs attract different types of people. You just confirmed my statement and contradicted your own. So logically, your statement makes no sense at all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #13 May 26, 2004 QuoteIt's a FREE COUNTRY. Conservatives can work in schools, universities, newspapers and broadcast media. Apparently they choose not to. you miss my point. I would not want to work in a openly hostile surroundings. I'm sure this is at least a limiting factor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #14 May 26, 2004 no most "moderate" are liberals that are afraid to say they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 May 26, 2004 I see, so if somebody says to you he's a moderate, you assume he's really a closet liberal?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #16 May 26, 2004 QuoteI see, so if somebody says to you he's a moderate, you assume he's really a closet liberal? THIS is how moderate is defined.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #17 May 26, 2004 most call themselves "progressive", moderate anything but the "L" word Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #18 May 26, 2004 QuoteFurther proof that the more educated a group is the more likely they are to be liberal. You might as well say that the more criminal a person is the more likely they are to be black. Any person who is black and is not a criminal destroys your attempt to link causation there, just as any person who is highly educated but still conservative does. I wonder if the study controlled for the difference between definitions of "liberal." You know, 'cause the modern definition stands for high taxes, political correctness legislation, a disarmed and vulnerable citizenry, socialist programs, and oh, did I mention taxes taxes taxes? The "classic liberal" stands for government out of our lives as much as possible, individual rights, individual responsibility, and independent thought. Perhaps those saying they were "liberal" were just thinking of the latter and not the former. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #19 May 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteFurther proof that the more educated a group is the more likely they are to be liberal. You might as well say that the more criminal a person is the more likely they are to be black. Any person who is black and is not a criminal destroys your attempt to link causation there, just as any person who is highly educated but still conservative does. - Wrong. A statistical correlation is not destroyed by an outlier.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #20 May 26, 2004 >A survey by the non-profit Pew Research Center lends credence to >the theory that the news media is teeming with liberals. Funny, because the most liberal paper you list (the NYT) has just fessed up to going along with all the pro-war conservative nonsense (without fact checking what they said) in the months leading up to the war. When the most liberal paper the article mentions admits to being a shill for the right wing, what does that say about the kind of news that a network like Fox puts out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 May 26, 2004 Quote>{{chopjob here}}When the most liberal paper the article mentions admits to being a shill for the right wing, what does that say . . . ? That the liberal paper is maybe doing something tricky in the effort to discredit someone/something or make a partisan point. If Fox suddenly came out and admitted being a shill for the DNC would you be suspicious? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #22 May 26, 2004 >If Fox suddenly came out and admitted being a shill for the DNC >would you be suspicious? If they had indeed been pushing false and unsupportable stories that the DNC was using as part of their platform, I would likely believe them. If they said it right now, given their track record, I'd laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #23 May 26, 2004 Quote>A survey by the non-profit Pew Research Center lends credence to >the theory that the news media is teeming with liberals. Funny, because the most liberal paper you list (the NYT) has just fessed up to going along with all the pro-war conservative nonsense (without fact checking what they said) in the months leading up to the war. When the most liberal paper the article mentions admits to being a shill for the right wing, what does that say about the kind of news that a network like Fox puts out? Sometime or another the Bush administration will have to admit that it too was fooled. Unlike the NYT error, Bush's error has cost 800+ American lives and more than $100Billion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #24 May 26, 2004 so you don;t think the media is bias at all, let's take NPR? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #25 May 26, 2004 Quoteso you don;t think the media is bias at all, let's take NPR? Fox News? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
