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[PhillyKev 0]

And empathy. The lack of that is what I see as the primary problem with the far right. Self-centered attitudes that scream they want what's best for themselves, screw everyone else.

Interestingly enough I also consider the lack of empathy as the defiinition of evil.

[rehmwa 2]

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Man you just don't get it do you?

Again the stock, self congratulatory response of people who think they are smarter than others.

I get you fine on this issue, it's your hot button. I also get that it's kind of pointless for you to be 'pissed off' about people you have no control over. Lots of people own things they don't need and it's certainly not an emotional argument - rather should be more logic to it than just 'pissed off'. As soon as that phrase comes out, then the good discussion is over (kind of like me with smokers).

I mean what will you do, go up to John's neighbors and beat them until they come over to your, superior, way of thinking? It's a great thread until people get emotional - that's when stupid knee jerk decisions are made.

edit: or is it Billvon's hot button. Now I can't remember. As far as empathy and reasoning, I'll take those as sincere as soon as each of you applies that to your skydiving hobby and quits for the same reasons.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[quade 4]

Actually, bill is more of a resource conservative than I am.

My car has a lifetime average of about 30 mpg and his is quite a bit more than that, but his is also newer. I'd buy a new vehicle with better gas milage (probably a hybrid), but I don't have the money right now and the purchase of a new car when the current one is working within limits is . . . wasteful both in financial terms as well as resources.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,120]

>I also get that it's kind of pointless for you to be 'pissed off' about people
> you have no control over. Lots of people own things they don't need and
>it's certainly not an emotional argument - rather should be more logic to it
>than just 'pissed off'.

Owning things you don't need is surely an emotional argument. A rational decision would result in your purchase in a vehicle that best fits your financial and transportation needs. A more emotional decision would result in you buying a fast, cool-looking car because it makes you feel good.

And that's your right; you can buy stuff for whatever reason you want. You can buy more shoes than you could ever use; you could buy a thousand acres of virgin northwest forest and turn it into a big parking lot (assuming you follow all the laws regarding such development.)

But there's also that pesky free-speech thing, which means that if you make selfish decisions you may hear people call you selfish. All part of living in a society like ours.

[Ron 10]

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And empathy. The lack of that is what I see as the primary problem with the far right. Self-centered attitudes that scream they want what's best for themselves, screw everyone else.

Feeling bad for someone that is not willing to do jack shit for themselves is a sign of weakness.

Its something I see the left have in abundance.

Lets give them a hand..Oh I know she is a crack head (A choice) with 5 illegitamate kids (A choice) living on welfare (Go get a fucking job).

Now you show me a person who is TRYING, And i'll haelp, but you lefties like to give the store away. Bless your bleading harts.

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Interestingly enough I also consider the lack of empathy as the defiinition of evil.

And I consider laziness to be evil...So why would I help a lazy person? I work 40 hrs a week, go to school full time, and work at the DZ on weekends.

I'll be damned if I am going to willing give my hard eraned money to some crack head on welfare.

People today have no personal responsability. You want it? go work for it, don't beg or steal for it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[rehmwa 2]

Nice disengage, I wish I had that much class. But I'm an obstinate bastard.

We're stuck with our two vehicles for a long time - same reason. The little efficient one and the great big truck used to pull the camper to boogies, haul lumber, haul dirt and landscaping stuff. The big one goes to work with me since that drive is shorter and sits in the parking lot outside my office all day. This way the little one is used for my wife's longer commute, daily trips, chores etc. I'd hope that people who don't personally know me aren't pissed off at me for parking the F-150 outside my office building. Maybe I should use my key and scratch in a justification along my door panel of my excuse for owning the truck and ask for forgiveness. They can acknowledge that by generously slashing my tires 'for the good of mother earth'. If they are really enviro-freaks, they should happy it's parked and not being driven everywhere - but you can't win no matter what you do.

Maybe we'll buy a Geo Metro and just replace the engine every time we haul the camper someplace.....

Then again, we should likely just not own a camper, I mean that money could have been donated to let 3 urban families live for 6 months without having to get a job - and we could then buy the lawn mower attachment for the metro killing several problems with one action..... Now that's thinking globally, or is it locally, I don't recall.

That was too rant-like, I'm going to have some cocoa and take a nap. Stereotyping really bugs me.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[PhillyKev 0]

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Lets give them a hand..Oh I know she is a crack head (A choice) with 5 illegitamate kids (A choice) living on welfare (Go get a fucking job).

Thanks for proving my point. You see a crack head who is undeserving of help (which I agree with). But you fail to see the 5 innocent children.

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Feeling bad for someone that is not willing to do jack shit for themselves is a sign of weakness.

Weakness is caring only about yourself and not worrying about fellow humans, no matter their circumstance. Being selfish is easy. Trying to lift up everyone else is hard.

[Ron 10]

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Thanks for proving my point. You see a crack head who is undeserving of help (which I agree with). But you fail to see the 5 innocent children.

Ya know what....My real Mom was a lazy alcoholic..To this day she does not have a job.

Oh lookie, I'm a productive memeber of the population.

I know maybe better than you what those 5 kids are going to face. If they are willing to work, I am willing to help them...Oh yeah I also help those who CANT help themselves...Go search "March of Dimes" posts by me.

But if you could help youself and dont' go get fucked.

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Weakness is caring only about yourself and not worrying about fellow humans, no matter their circumstance. Being selfish is easy. Trying to lift up everyone else is hard.

Like I said go search March of Dimes,....Oh yeah I also give to the United Way, and the Juvenile Diabetes Association.

What I don't do is give away my hard earned money to people who are to lazy to get a job.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

You do realize that United Way gives money and services to low income families that are "too lazy" to work for it.

[TypicalFish 0]

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Man you just don't get it do you?

I'm not saying that people have to do anything -- only that it would make more sense for the entire planet if some consideration was given.

Would that include limits on the fuel used to haul a bunch of people up in a plane so they can jump out of it?

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[quade 4]

Oh, certainly! Am I trying to justify skydiving as a fuel efficient activity? Hell no.

Again, I'm NOT saying you can't burn fuel for a business (or recreation for that matter), only that if you do, it makes sense to do so efficiently. A Twin Otter hauling jumpers is more efficient than a Twin Star, it's also less expensive.

Does -that- make sense?

BTW, I'm not saying you can't make the occasional helicopter jump either. It's just stupid to do it on a 500 jumps a year schedule.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Gawain 0]

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Interestingly enough I also consider the lack of empathy as the defiinition of evil.

Too much empathy can be just as devastating. Too much empathy can create "paralysis of analysis". Too much empathy can stunt any meaning behind action.

I don't discount empathy completely, but it is not a cure all. My decisions in life should not be guided by every possible consequence, that's what responsibility is for.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Ron 10]

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You do realize that United Way gives money and services to low income families that are "too lazy" to work for it.

What you want me to NOT be charitable? I don't like the fact my tax money goes to some crackhead...I TRY to tell the United Way what programs my money goes to.

But you completely glazed over my March of Dimes stuff, and Juvenile Diabetes Association.

Just like you to ignore the whole post.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Jimbo 0]

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You do realize that United Way gives money and services to low income families that are "too lazy" to work for it.

The last time I donated to the United Way I was given more than a few choices of where I wanted that money to go.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Why? They probably take care of their lawn and watch the neighborhood and have good parties. They both likely have decent jobs and contribute to society and are well educated.

How does owning a couple SUVs make them worthless? I didn't think you were into class warfare stereotyping.....

(I know you were being tongue in cheek)

Yup, it was a joke. I guess I'm one of the few in Liberal Riot...I mean Speakers Corner that try to joke around a bit.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Gawain 0]

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the few in Liberal Riot...I mean Speakers Corner

*LOL* My stomach hurts laughing at this..."liberal riot" ...that's good!

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[TypicalFish 0]

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Yup, it was a joke. I guess I'm one of the few in Liberal Riot...

OK, that made me laugh out loud...

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[Lindsey 0]

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And empathy. The lack of that is what I see as the primary problem with the far right. Self-centered attitudes that scream they want what's best for themselves, screw everyone else.

Interestingly enough I also consider the lack of empathy as the defiinition of evil.

I think that I have a lot of empathy and compassion, but my ability to identify with what someone else is going through does not cause in me a need to rescue them. Rescue people too often and they just might come to think that it's your DUTY to rescue them. It enables people to become lazy and to fail to reach their potentials. I think there's definately a place for social services and hand-outs, but I lean a lot more towards the "help others to help themselves" line of thinking. Of course that's only my ever-so-humble opinion.....

Peace~
Lindsey

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[Zinger 0]

"Yup, it was a joke. I guess I'm one of the few in Liberal Riot"

That made me lol also, I myself call speakers corner the "liberal rage pages"..Blows my mind how much some people will bitch about anything just to be negative.

------Have a good one!--------

[quade 4]

Yeah . . . because the right-wing never does that . . .

Nope. No, right-wing rants here.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[TypicalFish 0]

As an FYI, I am very much a "Liberal" (though I detest labels) and I thought it was REALLY funny...

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[Zinger 0]

Wrong again, Any one of my township supervisors wish this was true when I (a registered republican) stand up and "Bitch" at "Public Comment" time of the Township meetings.

But I do all I can with a positive attitude all the other time. Some need to get a balance and realize that a constant negative whine gets real old real fast and don't get much done but kindle bad feelings.

------Have a good one!--------

[quade 4]

Who are you, Carly Simon? Did you think that responce was about you?

I wasn't writing specifically about any poster.

(although I -do- have a couple in mind.)

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Zinger 0]

I love that song..

Paul do you have "clouds in your coffee"..

------Have a good one!--------

[jas8472 0]

I can't belive this thread, americans bitching about the price of petrol.
Try living in the UK.

£0.85 / litre
~ $5.80 / US gallon