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kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteAs Gawain said, don't sweat it--that seems to be your biggest obstacle, especially in regards to Michael Moore. Why does it matter to you so much that he uses film to tell his stories, and spins those stories radically to the left?
Because they are palmed-off onto the public as though they are fact.
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Did you ever see "The Green Berets"? Did you complain about the propaganda in that?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Ron 10
QuoteDid you ever see "The Green Berets"? Did you complain about the propaganda in that?
The movie "The Green Berets" was not filmed like it was a documentary. The movie "The Green Berets" did not edit a speech by an opposing side to make it sound evil.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
meltdown 0
If everyone that had a hummer in their office got fired, the unemployment rate would soar. A survey about 15 years ago reported that over 50% of white collar workers had sex in the office at least once.
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And out of those 50%, 99.9999% probably were not in charge of keeping the worlds only remaining superpower safe. By putting himself in a compromising position with a person he didn't even know... well, let's just say its a little more serious than screwing your secretary. And then there's the lying to the grand jury part, but I'm sure you know all about that.
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And out of those 50%, 99.9999% probably were not in charge of keeping the worlds only remaining superpower safe. By putting himself in a compromising position with a person he didn't even know... well, let's just say its a little more serious than screwing your secretary. And then there's the lying to the grand jury part, but I'm sure you know all about that.
meltdown 0
You just blamed everybody, then said you wish everyone would quit trying to find someone to blame. I don't get it. I think we should blame George Bush. He seems to be responsible for everything that ails the world, why not add this to the pile?
QuoteIf everyone that had a hummer in their office got fired, the unemployment rate would soar. A survey about 15 years ago reported that over 50% of white collar workers had sex in the office at least once.
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And out of those 50%, 99.9999% probably were not in charge of keeping the worlds only remaining superpower safe. By putting himself in a compromising position with a person he didn't even know... well, let's just say its a little more serious than screwing your secretary. And then there's the lying to the grand jury part, but I'm sure you know all about that.
This is a good point, and one that is typically missed by people when they are supporting (any) President.
"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET
Zenister 0
QuoteQuotereceived the Palme d'Or in Cannes Film Festival.
Yeah? And the crucifix swirling in a used toilet bowl was called art. What's your point, that critics have no taste and live somewhere other than reality?[/reply
actually the point would seem to be that the concept and purpose of 'Art' is continually misunderstood by a large portion of the general populace...
to many people reject the presentation or the artist without ever critically examining the work at all... of course most people never learned to think critically in the first place so Art is completely lost on them....____________________________________
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteDid you ever see "The Green Berets"? Did you complain about the propaganda in that?
The movie "The Green Berets" was not filmed like it was a documentary.Quote
Are you sure of that? It was all about showing a liberal journalist the error of his ways, with a whole lot of cooperation from the Army.
But it did have the worst ever movie song for its intro....
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Ron 10
QuoteAre you sure of that? It was all about showing a liberal journalist the error of his ways, with a whole lot of cooperation from the Army.
It was not marketed as a documentary.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
benny 0
Have any of the Michael Moore haters actually seen a Michael Moore film? Have any of you actually read any of his books? Have you actually found out what things he states as "fact" and then done research that actually disproves him? If so, lay it out please. Otherwise, you sound much more ideologically biased then Michael Moore could ever be.
Never go to a DZ strip show.
Never go to a DZ strip show.
You really think people vote in America? Bwahahahaha! Just kidding (or did that piss you off, too?).
Sooo...if some successful, popular, right-wing filmmaker (blowhard) convinces me through misinformation and misrepresentation of facts/statistics/whatever information to vote for pro-gun legislation, would you be just as angry? Or do you really think that all right-wing blowhards tell the absolute truth, too?
You think people having the right to their own opinions is a bad thing? You say that you're giving them the benefit of the doubt that they can tell the difference between a so-called documentary and an editorial piece, yet you're assuming that they're "swallowing untruths whole" when they're merely commenting about how they think it's a good movie. Do you need another clue-in? That's called an opinion!
I think Bowling for Columbine is a good movie. It's highly entertaining. I laughed...a lot. Maybe you're missing a sense of humour, and satire, and sarcasm. Perhaps that's the problem.
Do I believe everything that Michael Moore says? No.
Does he make his point and present his political agenda in an entertaining, amusing and satirical fashion? Yes.
Just because I don't believe everything he says in the movie, do I have to call it a bad movie? No.
Can you call it a bad movie? Sure ya can! It's one of your rights when living in America. Although, I'm still not sure if you've even seen the movie, since you seem to avoid that question whenever it's presented.
By the way, the people who tend to like Michael Moore's movies, for whatever reasons, tend to be left of center. It's not like his film is going to instantly convert right to left. It might convince people sitting on the fence to go one way or the other, but are you going to find all those fence-sitters and try to woo them your way?
Again with the angry replies. Sheesh. Get a grip--you sound like a toddler in a tantrum. My "Titan rocket" posts weren't even meant to debunk your claims. They were to show how poor your arguments were (are). Your claims and arguments as you presented them were debunked. Your credibility and veracity in that thread are about as good as Michael Moore's. Had you made this post and this post from the very beginning instead of just paraphrasing and parroting what you read on other web sites, maybe you wouldn't look so much the fool and angry young man. If you were in a debate, would you make your opponent go Google for the facts that support your argument?
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"Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC)
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