Gawain 0 #1 May 21, 2004 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120535,00.html American troops raided Ahmad Chalabi's office and house today. This is on top of his possible hinderance of the investigation of the oil-for-food program (I don't fully buy that one). Anyway, here's a new wrinkle in the fabric in Iraq. I don't have much of an opinion on it yet. Guess it's better to get him out of the way now, rather than after sovereignty is handed over.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #2 May 23, 2004 yep, throw him in the same cell as SH. What a shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #3 May 23, 2004 "There is no need for an investigation because we're quite certain he did it," one senior Bush administration official said. 'The official first described the evidence against Chalabi as "pretty solid" and then characterized it as "rock solid." U.S. officials won't describe the information Chalabi's alleged to have passed to Iran or how he's supposed to have obtained it, but they said he does not have the clearance to possess American classified information. ' You've got to be shitting me! Is this the democracy that the US has brought to Iraq??? ***"There is no need for an investigation because we're quite certain he did it," one senior Bush administration official said. *** When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 May 23, 2004 Gee, you mean the guy hand picked by our administration is corrupt? Surely they'll own up to this mistake, right? Please proceed with the defense of the administration in picking a man who was sentenced by a Jordanian court to 22 years jail on 31 charges of embezzlement, theft, misuse of depositor funds and currency speculation after the 1990 collapse of Petra Bank, which he had founded in 1977. Quote"When I met him in December 1997 he said he had tremendous connections with Iranian intelligence," recalls Scott Ritter, the former high profile UN weapons inspector. "He said that some of his best intelligence came from the Iranians and offered to set up a meeting for me with the head of Iranian intelligence." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #5 May 23, 2004 Isn't it strange that shortly after it's revealed that Chalabi hoodwinked the administration over the alleged WMDs in Iraq, he is accused of something like this to get him out of the way. Looks like a cover-up to prevent even more embarrassment for Bush.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #6 May 23, 2004 Before the invasion of Iraq there was a period when the US/UK were insisting there were WMD stockpiles, factories etc. in Iraq and meanwhile the UN weapons inspectors, led by Hans Blix, were finding nothing. Eventually the UN got fed up and very publicly asked the US/UK to tell them where the WMD were. The rather surreal response they got was that providing them with this intel was not possible because it would put the lives of the US/UK intelligence sources at risk. Is this guy Chalabi one of the sources that would have been put at risk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #7 May 23, 2004 QuoteBefore the invasion of Iraq there was a period when the US/UK were insisting there were WMD stockpiles, factories etc. in Iraq and meanwhile the UN weapons inspectors, led by Hans Blix, were finding nothing. Eventually the UN got fed up and very publicly asked the US/UK to tell them where the WMD were. The rather surreal response they got was that providing them with this intel was not possible because it would put the lives of the US/UK intelligence sources at risk. Is this guy Chalabi one of the sources that would have been put at risk? Source of (dis)information that Bush swallowed hook, line and sinker because he wanted to believe it. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/19/wirq19.xml& www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522664 www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BAR306A.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 May 23, 2004 To summarize the articles that John posted, yes. His family was the wealthiest in Iraq before the Baath revolution. They fled the country. Chalabi and his family then set up some businesses in the middle east which they used to defraud people. After the Gulf War he went into the protected northern region of Iraq and with monetary and other support from the CIA developed an organization with the intent of overthrowing SH. To this end he worked with Iranian intelligence. He was quoted as saying at one point that he wants SH out of power even if every Iraqi man, woman and child had to be killed in the process. Did he want this because SH is a bad man? No, he wants power for himself. He was then the primary source of information regarding alleged nuclear programs in Iraq along with the CIA informant known as "Curveball" who turns out to be one of his top aides brothers-in-law. His goal was to topple SH so he could get into power and he provided intel to the US that would encourage us to help him out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #9 May 24, 2004 There is an interesting theory "out there" that the whole Iraq war is the brainchild of the Iranian secret service. 1) It is well known that SH started the war against Iran, which killed millions of Iranians. 2) It is also a fact that SH brutally suppressed the Shiite’s who are closely related to the Iranians. 3) It is fair to say that it was in Iran’s interest to get SH removed. It is also fair to say that Iran would expect a post- Saddam Iraq to be dominated by Shiite’s who are the majority of the population. This giving Iran a major influence over this strategic country. 4) It is also clear that most of the sources regarding WMD’s in Iraq were “delivered’ by Chalabi to the CIA. Now, if Chalabi worked for the Iranians we have an interesting picture here (or conspiracy theory if you like). The Iranians know Iraq better then the US, and could have calculated that any US occupying forces and their political allies would be forced out in the longer term. So: - Iran got Chalabi to deliver the “slam dunk WMD evidence” to the CIA. - The US does the dirty work. - Iran organises a lot of the insurgences, which forces the US to “hand over” earlier then they like and to an unstable government. - Once the US is out of the country, Iranian “friendly” Shiite’s take power and align Iraq with Iran. If this is true, it would be major embarrassment for the US. Even if it is not true (the Chalabi / Iran connection), the outcomes could still be the same. Great work Mr. Bush…..--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites