diablopilot 2 #76 May 24, 2004 Quotebecause we have the ability to for cognative thought, unlike any (at least, known to us presently) other member of the animal kingdom. So would you be willing to admit that cognitive thought is a recessive rather than survival trait? Before you answer consider the state of the planet (social, environmental, political). It was doing pretty well before "We" evolved. Quotenot that im comparing you to him, but that one sentence rings true of what Hitler said about the extermination of the "inferior" races (see blacks, gypsies, jews, mentally retarded etc) Well, I think you did make the comparison, but I won't hold it against you. The difference between my statement and Hitler's philosophy is the definition of "defective". Hitler practiced genocide. I suggested the removal of those that harm society. If we are so evolved that we are "better" than the animals, why can we not face the fact we need to ACTIVELY police the survival of the human species.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #77 May 24, 2004 >Or the "pack" to ensure it's survival would eliminate the "defective". ??? In many animals that travel in packs, there is one alpha male - and it is the one that is willing to be the most violent towards the other members of the pack. In such societies, the animal you describe as defective would lead, and would reproduce more successfully. One of the nice things about being in a civilization is that we consciously protect the weak from the strong. That's a trait that works against evolution, but we place a higher value on justice than the rest of the animal kingdom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #78 May 24, 2004 QuoteDarwinism hardly advocates the euthanizing of the weak. Instead it suggests that nature will weed them out of the pack. The idea of euthanizing the pack is born out of your own personal values that nobody should suffer. Thank you for pointing that out. It's a point missed by many.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #79 May 24, 2004 QuoteBecause few humans are callous enough to let a sick child die without trying to save him. We have greatly hampered evolution because of that trait. And Darwinism doesn't dictate that we must. Darwinism doesn't preclude the desire or ability to care for the infirmed. We are "evolved" beings, but there must be a balance. Letting a covicted murderer out of jail makes no sense fron a "survival of the species" standpoint. And I know of no homicidal maniac that has killed again after being executed.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #80 May 25, 2004 QuoteQuotebecause we have the ability to for cognative thought, unlike any (at least, known to us presently) other member of the animal kingdom. So would you be willing to admit that cognitive thought is a recessive rather than survival trait? Before you answer consider the state of the planet (social, environmental, political). It was doing pretty well before "We" evolved. Quotenot that im comparing you to him, but that one sentence rings true of what Hitler said about the extermination of the "inferior" races (see blacks, gypsies, jews, mentally retarded etc) Well, I think you did make the comparison, but I won't hold it against you. The difference between my statement and Hitler's philosophy is the definition of "defective". Hitler practiced genocide. I suggested the removal of those that harm society. If we are so evolved that we are "better" than the animals, why can we not face the fact we need to ACTIVELY police the survival of the human species. I think the ability to think cognitively is a survival trait - it's the reason why we are top of the food chain. I also think it has led to many of the problems and destruction in the world today - the more "advanced" we become, the more destructive our capability and actions. Humans really are their own worst enemy, and i really agree with you on that. I didn't compare you to Hitler, it's just what you said seemed to ring true of his beliefs, but you're right, it comes down to what you define as "defective". I understand where you are coming from, i guess where we differ is on our definitions of "remove" - you would like these people removed from society permanently by killing them, i would like them removed by having them held securely with the attempt to rehabilitate them. If that's not possible, then they stay locked up. That may be utopian but i just don't think i could be part of the killing of someone who might have killed someone else, but not even realised or comprehended their actions. I don't know why i have an issue with that, i just do. PS i never said we were better than animals "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #81 May 25, 2004 QuoteThat may be utopian Utopian for who? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #82 May 25, 2004 Quote QuoteThat may be utopian Utopian for who? - Jim me "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
