kallend 2,174 #1 May 19, 2004 I was sent the following e-mail, but I don't have access to The Economist to see if it's a hoax or not. ________________________________________________ The following data are taken from " The Economist" Magazine May 15th-21st 2004 edition, page 44." "IQ Ranking States Av. IQ Score Voted for 1 Connecticut 113 G 2 Massachusetts 111 G 3 New Jersey 111 G 4 New York 109 G 5 Rhode Island 107 G 6 Hawaii 106 G 7 Maryland 105 G 8 New Hampshire 105 B 9 Illinois 104 G 10 Delaware 103 G 40 Alabama 90 B 41 Louisiana 90 B 42 Montana 90 B 43 Oklahoma 90 B 44 S. Dakota 90 B 46 S. Carolina 89 B 47 Wyoming 89 B 48 Idaho 87 B 49 Utah 87 B 50 Mississippi 85 B Presidential vote 2000 B= Bush G=Gore... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #2 May 19, 2004 I do, and I'll check -- I haven't looked at it in the last couple of weeks. It really looks like a hoax, though. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 May 19, 2004 Next to Bill and Hillary, Gore was the smartest candidate to ever run for elected office. John - of all people, you know that IQ is a good thing, but not everything. I'm sure that you've been around some truly brilliant dolts, as well as some bright dunces. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 May 19, 2004 Right, but when you look at the averages of a state and correlate that to who won the state, it certainly does indicate something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 May 19, 2004 Of course the other side of this is that most of the smart people live in states with cold winters...hmmmmm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #6 May 19, 2004 I do. I'll have a look when I get a chance. It's a great magazine. You ought to consider reading it. It might even be able to convince you (even you) that free market mechanisms are actually beneficial to humanity.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #7 May 19, 2004 QuoteOf course the other side of this is that most of the smart people live in states with cold winters...hmmmmm... Could it be the inverse; that cold winters make people smarter?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 May 19, 2004 Quote40 Alabama...48 Idaho Sweet! I just moved from number 40 to number 48! I'm getting smarter all the time. Thankfully, they're both conservative states. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #9 May 19, 2004 QuoteCould it be the inverse; that cold winters make people smarter? How far North are you willing to take this? Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #10 May 19, 2004 Whatever gives you a sense of superiority. Enjoy yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #11 May 19, 2004 I actually read a study a long time ago that purported to reveal that the human brain worked better in colder temps. So maybe it's just that most of the IQ tests are given in winter, when kids are at school, and the kids in places with colder winters do better because they are having high efficiency thoughts due to climactic condtions? Ah, such a lark... BTW, have you seen the Economists Big Mac index?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #12 May 19, 2004 used too. got to expensive when income dropped. Gotta wonder if the results are skewed though - how many colleges/unis are in Boston alone? 55 I think? I know Boston's population swells each fall but most of those people vote at home, not where they go to school. So if its not a hoax - where did the iq numbers come from? How can you be sure they are actually residents of the state?Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #13 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteCould it be the inverse; that cold winters make people smarter? How far North are you willing to take this? There's a transition point at about the 48th parallel I think, where the scales point sharply downward once you travel further north of that... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #14 May 19, 2004 After you brought up IQs I did a search and its freaky. Specially what they said about my category. (4) An IQ between 105 and 115. May graduate from college but generally, not with grades that would qualify them for graduate school Sounds pretty close to accurate but I am not sure I am ready to through my GMAT study guide in the garbage just yet. I still believe I may defy the odds but only time will tell.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #15 May 19, 2004 QuoteI do. I'll have a look when I get a chance. It's a great magazine. You ought to consider reading it. It might even be able to convince you (even you) that free market mechanisms are actually beneficial to humanity. I am a staunch capitalist and free marketeer. What makes you think otherwise? Just because I think GWB is a lying moron doesn't mean I believe in controlled economies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #16 May 19, 2004 QuoteI am a staunch capitalist and free marketeer. What makes you think otherwise? Your comment in another thread. Something to the effect of "what has capitalism done for her?"-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #17 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteI am a staunch capitalist and free marketeer. What makes you think otherwise? Your comment in another thread. Something to the effect of "what has capitalism done for her?" Well, what has it done for her? Doesn't mean I can't be one. I also recognize that some people are poor for reasons that are not of their own making and that Capitalism can't cure.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #18 May 19, 2004 QuoteWell, what has it done for her? Off topic for this thread, but I'd say it has allowed her not to live in a nation where her (relatively low by US standards) quality of life would be the envy of 99% of the population. Sure, you can pick out people who are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder here and say they are disadvantaged. That ignores the fact that the entire ladder is placed orders of magnitude above the corresponding ladder in other places. The benefit of capitalism is not that it rearranges the rungs on the ladder--it is that it moves the entire ladder (including the bottom rungs) upward. Since my income in the last two years has totalled around $20,000 (total--not per year), I'm definitely aware of my position on the lower rungs. I still feel that I'm better off with a capitalist system.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #19 May 19, 2004 That is a not unreasonable analysis. However, I think the context was that poor people only have themselves to blame in a capitalist economy. I don;t think that is true in all cases. PS how about getting a real job?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #20 May 19, 2004 Hi honey, I'm hoooooooooooooooome P. 44 has 2 articles, neither of which has anything to do with the IQ of US voters. One is about the Ivory Coast, the other is about some Arab world reactions to the abuses in Abu Ghraib. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #21 May 19, 2004 Wendy, The Economist comes in different regional versions, with the order of the sections re-arranged. The article might have been on p.44 of the Euro version (which puts UK first, instead of US) or the Asian version (you get the idea), etc. You might just want to have a look at the US section and see if it's in there anywhere.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #22 May 19, 2004 Ah -- did not realize that. It's on p. 26 in my version, in the standard "electoral week" section. I'd looked through the titles of the US section since p. 44 didn't look at all promising, and just didn't actually riffle through it. I'll admit I thought that title would mean actual news, and not just snippets of funny comments -- they must be liberal journalists . The source cited by The Economist is IQ and the Wealth of Nations by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteCould it be the inverse; that cold winters make people smarter? How far North are you willing to take this? The border Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #24 May 19, 2004 QuoteAh -- did not realize that. It's on p. 26 in my version, in the standard "electoral week" section. I'd looked through the titles of the US section since p. 44 didn't look at all promising, and just didn't actually riffle through it. I'll admit I thought that title would mean actual news, and not just snippets of funny comments -- they must be liberal journalists . The source cited by The Economist is IQ and the Wealth of Nations by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen. Wendy W. Just to be quite clear about the last couple pf posts - you are saying the article is GENUINE and smart people are NOT responsible for the mess we are in?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 May 19, 2004 Quote...you are saying the article is GENUINE and smart people are NOT responsible for the mess we are in? No, I think she's saying the article is genuine. The second half of that is what _you_ said. Personally, I think that smart people who have PhD's are probably totally responsible for everything that's wrong with the world. And if their doctorate is in physics, that makes them even more responsible. I guess that means that BASE 460 is responsible for about 40% of the world's ills. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
