pajarito 0 #51 May 19, 2004 QuoteHow about we all quit speculating until we find out whether it was a wedding or a terrorist camp. I agree. Just thought I'd reply and say that since it doesn't happen very often (almost never). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #52 May 19, 2004 Well, speculation was kind of the purpose of this thread . . . I started it off with "Does anyone believe this? I hope it's not true . . . " And we don't know their cultural customs, but it is not beyond reason that they were having a wedding party at 3 a.m. In India, their weddings run a full 24 hours, everyone (men, women and children)awake and partying the whole time. So why is it so ridiculous for this to go late into the night? I wish an Iraqi would sound off on what a traditional wedding is like in Iraq. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #53 May 19, 2004 QuoteCounter question for you - do you think all the people killed by Saddam Hussein had absolutely no responsibility for their own deaths? I have no idea. I know nothing of the circumstances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #54 May 19, 2004 Just said on the news that there was to be a hit on a terrorist "safe house." The team was taking heavy fire from it and "called for fire." A gunship opened fire and destroyed the place. I say if they're going to use wedding parties, mosques, and the like for staging areas, then it's fair game. Doesn't sound like "celebratory" gunfire to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katzeye 0 #55 May 19, 2004 QuoteIf we keep doing things like this we will lose. Not because we don't have enough firepower to wipe out every civilian in Iraq, but because we will destroy what we were trying to save. And once the Iraqis come to realize that a US soldier will kill you for being at a wedding (in self defense of course!) Iraq will become our next Vietnam. Bill, respectfully, they're weren't killed because they were at a wedding. They were killed because they fired weapons near or at American helicopters on patrol after curfew in a war zone. A very dumb, dumb, dumb thing to do. And without being there, we really don't know what happened. It's all a spin game for what we hear. Period. Is a chicken omelette redundant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #56 May 19, 2004 QuoteSame way they manage to not shoot british troops, I suppose. By knowing who they are shooting at. That is what rules of engagement are for.. And in an attack helocopter against people with rocket propelled grenades and ak47's you can't exactly move up next to them and ask for Identification.. Let's get real.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #57 May 19, 2004 QuoteBAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Pentagon officials Wednesday denied alleged eyewitness reports of a U.S. attack on a wedding party in a remote area of western Iraq that killed innocent civilians. "Our report is that this was not a wedding party, that these were anti-coalition forces that fired first, and that U.S. troops returned fire, destroying several vehicles, and killing a number of them," a Pentagon spokesman said. He was responding to a video distributed by The Associated Press showing Iraqi witnesses who said that at least 20 people were killed and five others critically wounded early Wednesday when planes fired on a wedding celebration. A man on the video said all homes in the village near the Syrian border were destroyed in the attack at about 3 a.m. local time Wednesday. The video showed at least a dozen bodies, including small children, wrapped in blankets for burial as they were unloaded from a truck. Men with picks and shovels were digging a series of graves in the video. A senior military coalition official said as many as 40 people were killed in the attack, but said it was his belief that the attack was against a foreign fighters' safehouse. A coalition official said in a written statement that coalition forces conducted a military operation "against a suspected foreign fighter's safehouse in the open desert, 85 km southwest of Husaybah, and 25 km from the Syrian border. "During the operation, coalition forces came under hostile fire and close air support was provided. "Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom radio," the statement said. Asked if the incident was the same one described on videotape, he said, "Yes, it is the same incident." He added, "We had actionable intelligence to go after a foreign fighters' safehouse. It is not our belief that there was a wedding party in the open desert." The taped witnesses identified the village as al Qa'im, which maps show is on the Iraqi side of the Syrian border, along the Euphrates River. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enough Said...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #58 May 19, 2004 Quote>How are the troops supposed to distenguish between celebratory >gun fire and enemy gun fire? Same way they manage to not shoot british troops, I suppose. By knowing who they are shooting at. I'm sorry but even if you're British and you're shooting at me, I'm going to shoot back. That automatically makes you the enemy unless you make it very clear otherwise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #59 May 19, 2004 Quote"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom radio," the statement said. That was "some" wedding party! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #60 May 19, 2004 Just goes to show you the press is out of fucking control... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #61 May 19, 2004 >"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 > million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom > radio," the statement said. >That was "some" wedding party! Hmm! At my wedding they would have found a lot of cash, foreign passports and a satcom radio. Parachutes and smoke grenades, too. No firing into the air though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,118 #62 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuote>How are the troops supposed to distenguish between celebratory >gun fire and enemy gun fire? Same way they manage to not shoot british troops, I suppose. By knowing who they are shooting at. I'm sorry but even if you're British and you're shooting at me, I'm going to shoot back. That automatically makes you the enemy unless you make it very clear otherwise. Quite a few British troops and a British jet fighter were killed by "friendly" US fire in both the '91 war and the '03 war. I don't believe the British shot first in either case.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #63 May 19, 2004 Quote...2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar... You'd have to convert this to dollars to get an idea if it was a reasonable amount or not. Anyone have any idea how much 2 million dinars is?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #64 May 19, 2004 Quote>"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 > million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom > radio," the statement said. >That was "some" wedding party! Hmm! At my wedding they would have found a lot of cash, foreign passports and a satcom radio. Parachutes and smoke grenades, too. No firing into the air though. I guess that settles it then. Nothing suspicious. Could happen anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #65 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote>How are the troops supposed to distenguish between celebratory >gun fire and enemy gun fire? Same way they manage to not shoot british troops, I suppose. By knowing who they are shooting at. I'm sorry but even if you're British and you're shooting at me, I'm going to shoot back. That automatically makes you the enemy unless you make it very clear otherwise. Quite a few British troops and a British jet fighter were killed by "friendly" US fire in both the '91 war and the '03 war. I don't believe the British shot first in either case. What's your point? Let's keep this in perspective. It has become very comonplace for our troops to be fired on by men and women not in any kind of uniform from mosques and now I suppose now from wedding parties. They use civilians as shields and I'm fairly sure as sacrifices in order to give the appearance to the world that we're targeting their women and children. This particular incident occured around 3:00am in the dead of night with limited visibility. The team on the ground said that they were taking fire from the house in question. That makes that house a legitimate target. As soon as the Iraqis/insurgents start to fire at our troops/aircraft from a "wedding party", I say "Game On!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #66 May 19, 2004 Quote117 wounded. 48 dead. Hmmm...wonder how many anti-american terrorists this will create? 20 years from now will will most likely face a new OBL-type due to events like this....no matter how much good we may do over there, events like this will forever overshadow this war. OK, first off, you're quoting the Afghan numbers, not the numbers from the recent event. Second, you're leaving out the fact that there was intel saying this was an insurgent/terrorist safe house. Third, US ground forces took hostile fire. This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc).witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #67 May 19, 2004 Quote >"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 > million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom > radio," the statement said. >That was "some" wedding party! Hmm! At my wedding they would have found a lot of cash, foreign passports and a satcom radio. Parachutes and smoke grenades, too. No firing into the air though. You left out the parts where people from your group fired rifles at US troops. Kinda makes a difference in the reaction you'd get. Oh yeah, and was your group assembled at a combatant waypoint? I'm not even calling this a wedding anymore, from now on, it's a 'group,' and nothing more.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #68 May 19, 2004 >You left out the parts where people from your group fired rifles at US troops. We had a strict rule against firing into the air at our wedding. >Oh yeah, and was your group assembled at a combatant waypoint? It was right next to a navigation beacon used by the military, now that you mention it! (I know because I had to file the NOTAM based on the distance to the nearest VOR.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #69 May 20, 2004 QuoteWe had a strict rule against firing into the air at our wedding. Then I doubt anyone would have fired at you. Also, you're still assuming they were firing in the air. I doubt that now. In the air and at troops are two different things. QuoteIt was right next to a navigation beacon used by the military, now that you mention it! (I know because I had to file the NOTAM based on the distance to the nearest VOR.) Well, unless the local gang/drug runners/other organized "enemy" is using the beacon, you're not likely to be assumed a threat for being there.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jkm2500 0 #70 May 20, 2004 Bill, It sounds like your wedding was a very unique one here in the US. My question...Whats your point? The situation as it unfolds was a raid that went bad. The ground troops started taking fire and requested gunship support(which has to be approved by an 0-4 or above). This was a credible threat. These are well seasoned troops, they know what they are doing. I say that they did a great job. It sounds to me that they did it right!!The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #71 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuote...2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar... You'd have to convert this to dollars to get an idea if it was a reasonable amount or not. Anyone have any idea how much 2 million dinars is? Edit because I misread something: Prior to the war the Iraqi Dinar (IQD) was fixed at 0.31 IQD per $1.00US. So that would equal about US$6,450,000, but now, $1.00US equals about 1437.00IQD (or about $1400US). The note about Syrian Dinar doesn't make sense, as their currency is the Syrian Pound. Currently, $1.00US equals about 52.00 SYP.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #72 May 20, 2004 Quote This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc). This is the part of war people seem to forget. During my first tour some of our guys hosed a boat that kept coming toward a guarded bridge during curfew hours outside of Hue. They kept coming even after warning shots across the bow. In the end a Vietnamese family with grand parents was wiped out . I sure hope our guys come out clean on this one.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #73 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuote117 wounded. 48 dead. Hmmm...wonder how many anti-american terrorists this will create? 20 years from now will will most likely face a new OBL-type due to events like this....no matter how much good we may do over there, events like this will forever overshadow this war. OK, first off, you're quoting the Afghan numbers, not the numbers from the recent event. Second, you're leaving out the fact that there was intel saying this was an insurgent/terrorist safe house. Third, US ground forces took hostile fire. This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc). True, it could have been a terrorist hideout or waypoint. Or, this could the cover story the US Military and government is handing out. I doubt this war could handle another media backlash to match the one with all the photos. At the moment they have no credibility in the eyes of the world an no one will listen to what they say._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #74 May 20, 2004 How about we all quit speculating until we find out whether it was a wedding or a terrorist camp. ------------------------------------------ Hey John, How about not shooting guns in the air because WE` are there to help? WE may assume that they are shooting at us! FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! When guns go off at that time in the morning, we assume "hostile fire". If I am them, I would let the authorities know that it is a wedding and not hostile fire! They should understand that our people are on pins and needles trying to protect the innocent while trying to get home alive! In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of any sort, a death sentence! Bring in the dogs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #75 May 20, 2004 >FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! If we do 'lose' this war, this will be why. At some point, if you say "fuck them" enough, they say the same thing back to you. >In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of > any sort, a death sentence! Funny how a lot of right-wingers are so eager to keep their guns and so eager to disarm everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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pajarito 0 #64 May 19, 2004 Quote>"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 > million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom > radio," the statement said. >That was "some" wedding party! Hmm! At my wedding they would have found a lot of cash, foreign passports and a satcom radio. Parachutes and smoke grenades, too. No firing into the air though. I guess that settles it then. Nothing suspicious. Could happen anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #65 May 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote>How are the troops supposed to distenguish between celebratory >gun fire and enemy gun fire? Same way they manage to not shoot british troops, I suppose. By knowing who they are shooting at. I'm sorry but even if you're British and you're shooting at me, I'm going to shoot back. That automatically makes you the enemy unless you make it very clear otherwise. Quite a few British troops and a British jet fighter were killed by "friendly" US fire in both the '91 war and the '03 war. I don't believe the British shot first in either case. What's your point? Let's keep this in perspective. It has become very comonplace for our troops to be fired on by men and women not in any kind of uniform from mosques and now I suppose now from wedding parties. They use civilians as shields and I'm fairly sure as sacrifices in order to give the appearance to the world that we're targeting their women and children. This particular incident occured around 3:00am in the dead of night with limited visibility. The team on the ground said that they were taking fire from the house in question. That makes that house a legitimate target. As soon as the Iraqis/insurgents start to fire at our troops/aircraft from a "wedding party", I say "Game On!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #66 May 19, 2004 Quote117 wounded. 48 dead. Hmmm...wonder how many anti-american terrorists this will create? 20 years from now will will most likely face a new OBL-type due to events like this....no matter how much good we may do over there, events like this will forever overshadow this war. OK, first off, you're quoting the Afghan numbers, not the numbers from the recent event. Second, you're leaving out the fact that there was intel saying this was an insurgent/terrorist safe house. Third, US ground forces took hostile fire. This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc).witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #67 May 19, 2004 Quote >"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 > million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom > radio," the statement said. >That was "some" wedding party! Hmm! At my wedding they would have found a lot of cash, foreign passports and a satcom radio. Parachutes and smoke grenades, too. No firing into the air though. You left out the parts where people from your group fired rifles at US troops. Kinda makes a difference in the reaction you'd get. Oh yeah, and was your group assembled at a combatant waypoint? I'm not even calling this a wedding anymore, from now on, it's a 'group,' and nothing more.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #68 May 19, 2004 >You left out the parts where people from your group fired rifles at US troops. We had a strict rule against firing into the air at our wedding. >Oh yeah, and was your group assembled at a combatant waypoint? It was right next to a navigation beacon used by the military, now that you mention it! (I know because I had to file the NOTAM based on the distance to the nearest VOR.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #69 May 20, 2004 QuoteWe had a strict rule against firing into the air at our wedding. Then I doubt anyone would have fired at you. Also, you're still assuming they were firing in the air. I doubt that now. In the air and at troops are two different things. QuoteIt was right next to a navigation beacon used by the military, now that you mention it! (I know because I had to file the NOTAM based on the distance to the nearest VOR.) Well, unless the local gang/drug runners/other organized "enemy" is using the beacon, you're not likely to be assumed a threat for being there.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #70 May 20, 2004 Bill, It sounds like your wedding was a very unique one here in the US. My question...Whats your point? The situation as it unfolds was a raid that went bad. The ground troops started taking fire and requested gunship support(which has to be approved by an 0-4 or above). This was a credible threat. These are well seasoned troops, they know what they are doing. I say that they did a great job. It sounds to me that they did it right!!The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #71 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuote...2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar... You'd have to convert this to dollars to get an idea if it was a reasonable amount or not. Anyone have any idea how much 2 million dinars is? Edit because I misread something: Prior to the war the Iraqi Dinar (IQD) was fixed at 0.31 IQD per $1.00US. So that would equal about US$6,450,000, but now, $1.00US equals about 1437.00IQD (or about $1400US). The note about Syrian Dinar doesn't make sense, as their currency is the Syrian Pound. Currently, $1.00US equals about 52.00 SYP.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #72 May 20, 2004 Quote This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc). This is the part of war people seem to forget. During my first tour some of our guys hosed a boat that kept coming toward a guarded bridge during curfew hours outside of Hue. They kept coming even after warning shots across the bow. In the end a Vietnamese family with grand parents was wiped out . I sure hope our guys come out clean on this one.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #73 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuote117 wounded. 48 dead. Hmmm...wonder how many anti-american terrorists this will create? 20 years from now will will most likely face a new OBL-type due to events like this....no matter how much good we may do over there, events like this will forever overshadow this war. OK, first off, you're quoting the Afghan numbers, not the numbers from the recent event. Second, you're leaving out the fact that there was intel saying this was an insurgent/terrorist safe house. Third, US ground forces took hostile fire. This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc). True, it could have been a terrorist hideout or waypoint. Or, this could the cover story the US Military and government is handing out. I doubt this war could handle another media backlash to match the one with all the photos. At the moment they have no credibility in the eyes of the world an no one will listen to what they say._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #74 May 20, 2004 How about we all quit speculating until we find out whether it was a wedding or a terrorist camp. ------------------------------------------ Hey John, How about not shooting guns in the air because WE` are there to help? WE may assume that they are shooting at us! FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! When guns go off at that time in the morning, we assume "hostile fire". If I am them, I would let the authorities know that it is a wedding and not hostile fire! They should understand that our people are on pins and needles trying to protect the innocent while trying to get home alive! In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of any sort, a death sentence! Bring in the dogs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #75 May 20, 2004 >FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! If we do 'lose' this war, this will be why. At some point, if you say "fuck them" enough, they say the same thing back to you. >In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of > any sort, a death sentence! Funny how a lot of right-wingers are so eager to keep their guns and so eager to disarm everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rickjump1 0 #72 May 20, 2004 Quote This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc). This is the part of war people seem to forget. During my first tour some of our guys hosed a boat that kept coming toward a guarded bridge during curfew hours outside of Hue. They kept coming even after warning shots across the bow. In the end a Vietnamese family with grand parents was wiped out . I sure hope our guys come out clean on this one.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #73 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuote117 wounded. 48 dead. Hmmm...wonder how many anti-american terrorists this will create? 20 years from now will will most likely face a new OBL-type due to events like this....no matter how much good we may do over there, events like this will forever overshadow this war. OK, first off, you're quoting the Afghan numbers, not the numbers from the recent event. Second, you're leaving out the fact that there was intel saying this was an insurgent/terrorist safe house. Third, US ground forces took hostile fire. This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc). True, it could have been a terrorist hideout or waypoint. Or, this could the cover story the US Military and government is handing out. I doubt this war could handle another media backlash to match the one with all the photos. At the moment they have no credibility in the eyes of the world an no one will listen to what they say._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #74 May 20, 2004 How about we all quit speculating until we find out whether it was a wedding or a terrorist camp. ------------------------------------------ Hey John, How about not shooting guns in the air because WE` are there to help? WE may assume that they are shooting at us! FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! When guns go off at that time in the morning, we assume "hostile fire". If I am them, I would let the authorities know that it is a wedding and not hostile fire! They should understand that our people are on pins and needles trying to protect the innocent while trying to get home alive! In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of any sort, a death sentence! Bring in the dogs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,090 #75 May 20, 2004 >FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! If we do 'lose' this war, this will be why. At some point, if you say "fuck them" enough, they say the same thing back to you. >In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of > any sort, a death sentence! Funny how a lot of right-wingers are so eager to keep their guns and so eager to disarm everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ChasingBlueSky 0 #73 May 20, 2004 QuoteQuote117 wounded. 48 dead. Hmmm...wonder how many anti-american terrorists this will create? 20 years from now will will most likely face a new OBL-type due to events like this....no matter how much good we may do over there, events like this will forever overshadow this war. OK, first off, you're quoting the Afghan numbers, not the numbers from the recent event. Second, you're leaving out the fact that there was intel saying this was an insurgent/terrorist safe house. Third, US ground forces took hostile fire. This doesn't sound much like a wedding to me. It sounds like an enemy waypoint that our troops leveled (yes, women and children can be enemies too - pack mules, ammo runners in battle, ambushers, etc). True, it could have been a terrorist hideout or waypoint. Or, this could the cover story the US Military and government is handing out. I doubt this war could handle another media backlash to match the one with all the photos. At the moment they have no credibility in the eyes of the world an no one will listen to what they say._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #74 May 20, 2004 How about we all quit speculating until we find out whether it was a wedding or a terrorist camp. ------------------------------------------ Hey John, How about not shooting guns in the air because WE` are there to help? WE may assume that they are shooting at us! FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! When guns go off at that time in the morning, we assume "hostile fire". If I am them, I would let the authorities know that it is a wedding and not hostile fire! They should understand that our people are on pins and needles trying to protect the innocent while trying to get home alive! In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of any sort, a death sentence! Bring in the dogs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #75 May 20, 2004 >FUCK their tradition at 2:30am in the morning! If we do 'lose' this war, this will be why. At some point, if you say "fuck them" enough, they say the same thing back to you. >In my opinion, they should should make possession of a firearm, of > any sort, a death sentence! Funny how a lot of right-wingers are so eager to keep their guns and so eager to disarm everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
