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jerry81 10
QuoteQuoteThe bottom line is that the United States of America is fighting the world's news media as well as Islamic totalitarianism. Until we understand that, we have no chance of winning.
First of all, this conclusion is a bit frightening. To me, it basically implies that media all over the world should report things as USA sees them. Whatever happened to seeing things from different perspectives?
So if I slander you and try to paint you as a malicious murdering lout, would you not defend yourself? And if it were quite a few people that have the same opinion - would you not? Or, would you just hold your hands up and say, "Eh, yeah , sorry , your right."
Oh, I'd probably defend myself, although I think I'd need to understand exactly why you see me that way before choosing an appropriate course of action. But I doubt I'd cover my ears, claim that you simply hate me and go around telling everyone willing to listen that I'm really a good guy.

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1. Different perspectives. Different perspectives are fine. The article questions the intellectual bona fides of anyone who considers the Berg execution revenge for prisoner abuse. Those who do so are obviously anti-American. Disagree with that if you like, but given the lack of response from the Muslim world to executions and torture under the Hussein regime, you'll have a tough time convincing me that cutting a man's head off is 'revenge' for humiliation of any sort.
2. Cognitive dissonance. Islamic extremists killing anyone to further their cause is an unfortunately all to common thing. Cutting of a man's head on videotape is NOT common. The cognitive dissonance argument doesn't hold water.
3. This 'terrorist' adjective evolution to which you refer doesn't hit home with me. We must be reading different newspapers. I've yet to see such.

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kallend 2,150
QuoteInteresting.
1. Different perspectives. Different perspectives are fine. The article questions the intellectual bona fides of anyone who considers the Berg execution revenge for prisoner abuse. Those who do so are obviously anti-American. Disagree with that if you like, but given the lack of response from the Muslim world to executions and torture under the Hussein regime, you'll have a tough time convincing me that cutting a man's head off is 'revenge' for humiliation of any sort.
2. Cognitive dissonance. Islamic extremists killing anyone to further their cause is an unfortunately all to common thing. Cutting of a man's head on videotape is NOT common. The cognitive dissonance argument doesn't hold water.
3. This 'terrorist' adjective evolution to which you refer doesn't hit home with me. We must be reading different newspapers. I've yet to see such.
I see this event as qualitatively different from bombing a factory for tactical reasons knowing there MAY be peeople inside.
I don't see it as much different from terrorists planting a nail bomb in a crowded pub full of civilians, or as much different from blowing up the OKC Federal Building with a pre-school inside, in terms of deliberate sickening brutality.
On the whole I don't find Muslim extremists any worse than IRA terrorists or Tim McVeigh.
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jerry81 10
QuoteInteresting.
1. Different perspectives. Different perspectives are fine. The article questions the intellectual bona fides of anyone who considers the Berg execution revenge for prisoner abuse. Those who do so are obviously anti-American. Disagree with that if you like, but given the lack of response from the Muslim world to executions and torture under the Hussein regime, you'll have a tough time convincing me that cutting a man's head off is 'revenge' for humiliation of any sort.
2. Cognitive dissonance. Islamic extremists killing anyone to further their cause is an unfortunately all to common thing. Cutting of a man's head on videotape is NOT common. The cognitive dissonance argument doesn't hold water.
3. This 'terrorist' adjective evolution to which you refer doesn't hit home with me. We must be reading different newspapers. I've yet to see such.
Interesting as well.

1.My comment was directed more to the statement I bolded out- to consider that execution a form of revenge may or may not be obviously anti-american (as a foreigner I may not be the best to judge), but to conclude from that that you're also fighting world media (strangely enough, most examples of anti-americanism came from US newspapers) was imo both too simplified and more than slightly disturbing.
2.Cognitive dissonance; perhaps this is just a product of my euro-liberal view (although I don't really subscribe to the rabid anti-americanism that seems to be so chic over here right now), but I don't think it's just the uncommonness of the thing that makes us more enraged at prisoner abuses. In both cases it was human cruelty at its worst, but only in one it did not fit our expectations. Which, if I recall, is the definition (albeit very rough) of cognitive dissonance. Perhaps it's also worth noting that the level of empathy you feel for one of your fellow Americans might be a bit higher than that of the rest of the world (and apparently, a part of the USA as well) and consequently your reaction will be stronger.
3.Think 'commies', a few decades ago. (perhaps not the best example for me to give, since I have no first-hand experience of the era, but I hope you understand what I meant to say)
If the Right thinks that the media is Left biased, it is only their own fault for not putting their money where their ideology is.
Why don't YOU start a right wing newspaper?
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