Al-Qaeda BEHEADED U.S. Contractor

[catfishhunter 2]

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So you think an ethnic cleansing would be a final solution to this problem?

Where did I use the word ethnic?

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>But the world is due for a cleansing anyway and what i think or say
> will in no way have any effect on what the eventual outcome of all
> this will be anyway.

Please be VERY careful with the words you USE. They are NOT mine.

A very great qoute goes soemthing like this" Mans greatest failure is to forget, because when he forgets he is destined to repeat it" What we are going through is not Unique. It has happened for thousands of years. Do you think anyone that has posted here has had an original thought? Are you that Naive or just that arrogant? What do you supposse people where talking about in the days of Gangus Kahn? The Paroahs? Alexander? Napoleon? Hitler? Etc etc...The Earth has always taken care of her self. She gets tired of the rodents running around on her and decides enough is enough then we really find out just how insignificant all of us really are.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[jakee 1,594]

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So if you, the media, or the "peaceful" nations of the world want Americans to know that arabs are peaceful people, show them. Help people understand that the middle east has been a source of conflict for centuries because it's people are peaceful.

Dude, every single place on earth has been a hotbed of conflict for the last few centuries, hell take a look at Europes track record for just the last one century. We've taken a fair bit of conflict to the middle east ourselves, from WW1 onwards.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,594]

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What do you supposse people where talking about in the days of Gangus Kahn? The Paroahs? Alexander? Napoleon? Hitler? Etc etc...The Earth has always taken care of her self. She gets tired of the rodents running around on her and decides enough is enough then we really find out just how insignificant all of us really are.

What are you talking about?
The earth swallowed Napolean? Hitler was washed away in a flood? Gangus Kahn really spelled his name like that?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,112]

>>Q. Is it OK for US news services to show pictures of people we tortured and killed?
>No, not if they are still prisoners, yes if they are ALREADY DEAD.

So if they are alread dead that's OK.

>I am niether condoning, or suggesting either act as "OK"

But you're not saying it's OK.

Are you writing for Kerry?

[catfishhunter 2]

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I guess I'll say it again, have you seen cine footage of the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Heard the accounts of people living on the outskirts of the cities at the time? Seen photo's of the deformed kids born as a result of the radiation?

WTF does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

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Besides, the A-bombs on Japan came after an extensive campaign of heavy bombing on industrial complexes to destroy industry and cities to destroy moral. So of course to follow the historical template we must first bomb the crap out Iraqi cities with conventional weapons, will that help?

Again WTF does that have to do with anything?

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And also, like I said before the A-bombs dropped on Japan were to persuade a government to surrender, a government that has a direct responsibility to it's citizens, does AQ have the same responsibility towards ordinary arabs?

No it was to persuade a PEOPLE to persuade it's goverment to surrender. Don't believe me SEE your own statements above. So with that in mind, We need to persuade the Arab/Muslim community to handle THEIR Problem i.e AQ,terrorist, or wtfever you wnat to call them.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[catfishhunter 2]

do you know how to seperate paragraghs?

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What do you supposse people where talking about in the days of Gangus Kahn? The Paroahs? Alexander? Napoleon? Hitler? Etc etc...

That had nothing to do with this

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The Earth has always taken care of her self. She gets tired of the rodents running around on her and decides enough is enough then we really find out just how insignificant all of us really are.

And as for spelling hell I never said I could spell.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[kallend 2,147]

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Gangus Kahn really spelled his name like that?

I doubt he even used the Roman alphabet, the illiterate bastard.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,594]

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do you know how to seperate paragraghs?

I usually press enter. Sorry if you haven't got the hang of that yet.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Trent 0]

So a headline like "Arab Countries Unite Against Extremism" is on par with "Man Takes Out Trash, Scratches Butt!"?

So I guess the fair and balanced ilk of CNN and all the others don't want us really to know that there is a dissenting voice in the arab world. I'd like to read about it without having to do a 7th page google search. In fact, CNN has a middle east section that would be a nice place for it.

Wouldn't the "biased liberal press" want to portray the arabs as peace loving people? Wouldn't that be a nice story to back how horribly prisoners are treated? Instead, they'd rather print that the US is screwing up (opinion) and that the world hates us, especially arabs.

We have more than enough dissenting opinions here in the US that are heard around the world. Why is it so hard to think that people wouldn't be interested in hearing an arab against extremism? Maybe, instead of joe-arab watching al-jazeera and getting excited about the fact that "everyone else" is joining islamic extremist movements, he'd see that a whole lot of people just like him are against terrorism and perpetuating violence. That isn't too much to ask for... again, if it exists on any scale worth mentioning.

...and as for the language barrier... our media has no trouble translating osama's statements for us. Why not translate some of the good stuff too?

edit--- I would think that BillVon's arguments are just as interesting to hear, if not moreso, than some of the dipshits they put on as "experts".

Oh, hello again!

[catfishhunter 2]

LMAO thanks Kallend Need a moment of leviaty oh sorry Jack if I miss-spelled that

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[jakee 1,594]

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I doubt he even used the Roman alphabet, the illiterate bastard.

Damn! I was hoping no-one would pick up on that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,594]

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WTF does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

Well since A-bombs are your preferred method of education I was wondering if you were prepared for the consequences.

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Again WTF does that have to do with anything?

just carrying on the lesson from history theme you started.

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No it was to persuade a PEOPLE to persuade it's goverment to surrender.

Disagree.

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We need to persuade the Arab/Muslim community to handle THEIR Problem i.e AQ,terrorist, or wtfever you wnat to call them.

Whatever country you nuke or carpet bomb there will be people in other countries who will become more and more convinced that their problem lies with us.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,112]

>Where did I use the word ethnic?

So what do you want to cleanse the world of?

>A very great qoute goes soemthing like this" Mans greatest failure is
>to forget, because when he forgets he is destined to repeat it" What
>we are going through is not Unique.

I agree. We've had wars for similar reasons many, many times before. We've survived before. However, as time goes on we manage to kill fewer and fewer people in our wars and gradually raise our standards of morality (and living.) That's a good thing, given that we have nuclear weapons now. It's a trend worth continuing.

>Are you that Naive or just that arrogant?

Come on! Why can't I be both?

>The Earth has always taken care of her self. She gets tired of the
> rodents running around on her and decides enough is enough then
> we really find out just how insignificant all of us really are.

Have we managed to segue into a global warming discussion here?

[skydyvr 0]

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Quick question: What do you suppose happens when both sides decide the enemy will only stop when they convince them they're ready and willing to do whatever is necessary?

Quick answer: The side with the biggest toys wins.

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[jakee 1,594]

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So a headline like "Arab Countries Unite Against Extremism" is on par with "Man Takes Out Trash, Scratches Butt!"?

Well that would be the governments of Arab countries rather than joe-arab which usually tends to carry more weight in world media circles.

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So I guess the fair and balanced ilk of CNN and all the others don't want us really to know that there is a dissenting voice in the arab world. I'd like to read about it without having to do a 7th page google search. In fact, CNN has a middle east section that would be a nice place for it.

Search through the BBC coverage, there should be some stuff on it.

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Wouldn't the "biased liberal press" want to portray the arabs as peace loving people?

Who are you quoting? I never called the press biased. The press reports events, first and foremost. An Arab living quietly in his home is not an event, an Arab fighting US and UK troops is. The fighting arab gets more coverage, therefore the balance of coverage gets skewed towards militant Arabs.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,594]

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LMAO thanks Kallend Need a moment of leviaty oh sorry Jack if I miss-spelled that

(must not correct, must not correct, must not correct)

Damnit you did that on purpose!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Michele 1]

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(must not correct, must not correct, must not correct)

One of the things I've discovered is that the moment spelling and grammar enter into the picture, the person making the slam has either just made a nice misspelling themselves, or will do so shortly...and then, as luck would have it, someone goes and copy/pastes it into a quote so even if one goes back and handles the error, it is there for all to see.

Now.

Can you guys stick to the topic? I believe Catfish was getting ready to nuke the planet, and Jakee was getting ready to justify and love everyone right out of their anger.

(And Bill, you give yourself wide latitude with the 10 minute comment...)...

Carry on!

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[jakee 1,594]

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One of the things I've discovered is that the moment spelling and grammar enter into the picture, the person making the slam has either just made a nice misspelling themselves, or will do so shortly...and then, as luck would have it, someone goes and copy/pastes it into a quote so even if one goes back and handles the error, it is there for all to see.

But, but it was in the spirit of fun... Oh who am I kidding, it was petty and childish and I do apologise.

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Can you guys stick to the topic? I believe Catfish was getting ready to nuke the planet, and Jakee was getting ready to justify and love everyone right out of their anger.

Now to be fair he only wants to nuke one part of the planet (unless the rest of it pisses him off too) and I wasn't justifying anything, just trying to point out that a more measured response, such as only killing the terrorists might be a better idea.

Now if you and me want to talk about that lovin thing then I'm all yours baby.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Quick question: What do you suppose happens when both sides decide the enemy will only stop when they convince them they're ready and willing to do whatever is necessary?

Quick answer: The side with the biggest toys wins.

Not in a situation like this. The loser is the one that is first to cry uncle. The longer it goes, the more likely the US loses. The other side lives there, or nearby. It has no where else to go.

The US cannot make full use of its bigger toys, unless it switches to a mentality of "in order to save the village we had to destroy it."

[kelpdiver 2]

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A very great qoute goes soemthing like this" Mans greatest failure is to forget, because when he forgets he is destined to repeat it" What we are going through is not Unique. It has happened for thousands of years. Do you think anyone that has posted here has had an original thought? Are you that Naive or just that arrogant? What do you supposse people where talking about in the days of Gangus Kahn? The Paroahs? Alexander? Napoleon? Hitler? Etc etc...The Earth has always taken care of her self. She gets tired of the rodents running around on her and decides enough is enough then we really find out just how insignificant all of us really are.

I'm quite sure people here have posted original thoughts - more about skydiving than politics, but I'm not so cynical to think that all events are preordained and beyond our control. Go see the religious thread for that line of thinking.

But I'm a bit puzzled by your references to these people in the past ... al Queda would never be compared with them, but we (the US) might. So are you predicting our downfall as a near term event, or what?

[kallend 2,147]

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(must not correct, must not correct, must not correct)

One of the things I've discovered is that the moment spelling and grammar enter into the picture, the person making the slam has either just made a nice misspelling themselves, or will do so shortly...and then, as luck would have it, someone goes and copy/pastes it into a quote so even if one goes back and handles the error, it is there for all to see.

One of the things I've discovered in a 37 year research and teaching career is that you can tell a great deal about someone by the care they take in expressing their ideas.

In a forum like this, it is one of very few indicators that we have to go on.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkydivingNurse 0]

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And if the Iraqis want to behead all of them, great. If not - well, it's their country, not ours.

I have to disagree. I think we should give the women and children a chance to leave the cities these animals are hiding in, flatten all of their "holy" cities, salt the ground so that nothing will ever grow there again, and hope that those barbarians learn a lesson. We have shed our blood to free the people of Iraq, why the hell aren't they handing these filthy subhumans over to us?

[billvon 3,112]

> I think we should give the women and children a chance to leave the
> cities these animals are hiding in, flatten all of their "holy" cities,
> salt the ground so that nothing will ever grow there again, and hope
> that those barbarians learn a lesson.

And Al Qaeda will continue to hide in the Pakistan hills and cheer with delight that the US has driven tens of thousands of people into their ranks. And in ten years, they'll be Fedexing a dirty bomb to the Pentagon.

>We have shed our blood to free the people of Iraq . . .

and so now we should kill them? We invaded for political reasons. It's not their fault that our invasion is going poorly. From their perspective, we invaded, destroyed their country, took over, started rebuilding it - and now we are arresting and torturing them by the hundreds. And we are still shelling their cities. How are we different than Hussein if we start slaughtering them for not loving us?

[Michele 1]

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If they are given an excuse to be violent then it has to be assumed that AQ will take that excuse, play it for all it's worth and maybe gain some support along the way.

I do have to ask...

What was the excuse for the burning, hanging of corpses from a bridge, and dismembering of those who had that happen to them a few months ago (or was it weeks? I don't remember).

See, it's not about giving them excuses. Nic Berg was last heard from on April 9, if what I've read is true. One can assume that he was kidnapped sometime shortly thereafter. The photos did not come to the public until May 2 (again, IIRC and my data is correct). We have no real way of knowing the date of the vid, but can assume it was recent. Berg's body was found and confirmed identity on Monday (Baghdad, I think), and the vid was released on tuesday morning (I first heard about it around 10 am my time, PST).

So Berg was kidnapped 3ish weeks before, and Zarqawi (and his group) waited for an opportunity to exploit the kidnapping, and the murder. What was the immediate preceding event? The abuse. This isn't because of the abuses in the prison. It was purely politically motivated.

The politics here are clear. It is clear and demonstrative when the Middle East does not stand and condemn this as loudly as they have condemned the prison problem. There was a rally and demonstration because of the prison issue; nothing at all about the murder and beheading.

What does that leave me with? The understanding - clear and unambiguous - that the men who did this, and all those who protect, offer aid and succor, and who assist these men, deserve no less than the most we can deliver to them.

Does this mean nukes? Nope. That's the hammer v. flyswatter thing. But does something significant need to be done? Most certainly. And without undue delay.

Just thought I'd put this out there.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Lindsey 0]

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And if the Iraqis want to behead all of them, great. If not - well, it's their country, not ours.

I have to disagree. I think we should give the women and children a chance to leave the cities these animals are hiding in, flatten all of their "holy" cities, salt the ground so that nothing will ever grow there again, and hope that those barbarians learn a lesson. We have shed our blood to free the people of Iraq, why the hell aren't they handing these filthy subhumans over to us?

But you're assuming the women and children feel differently than the men do. I suppose there are more than a handful of men, women and children who will be glad when/if they are finally "liberated." I imagine ther are plenty other men, women and children who want us all dead. What makes you think these women and children will disperse passively? willingly? Do you propose that we just flatten them all? I think that it's these knee-jerk responses that got us in this mess to begin with. Had we not invaded this country then I don't imagine this contractor would have been killed. I think it's horrible that it has happened. It makes me ill. It makes me equally sick that we went charging in there like cowboys, despite protests from many American people, and expected that because we were America that the people of Iraq would kiss our feet. This was bound to happen, and to think otherwise is very short-sighted. I'm very angry that these atrocities are happening to our people. I'm very angry that we felt compelled to go in there expecting something different.

Peace~
Lindsey

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